tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post9009298809165807321..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Asian admissions in Boston GlobeSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-24370816175194133342011-05-04T18:35:06.108-04:002011-05-04T18:35:06.108-04:00no racism where we play.
www.getbetterfc.comno racism where we play.<br /><br />www.getbetterfc.comBaysiders10http://pulse.yahoo.com/_77B37OIONPIA5K24GQNWGY35I4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-27157018364219220692011-04-24T00:42:54.690-04:002011-04-24T00:42:54.690-04:00How do you define leadership? My understanding is ...How do you define leadership? My understanding is that Chinese Americans have contributed a disproportionate share of the start-ups in Silicon Valley. Does tech leadership count under your definition? I've always been skeptical of the claim that somehow Asian Americans aren't risk takers or adequate leaders. I see plenty of creative risk taking undertaken by Chinese Americans in Silicon Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-12421052979297044672011-04-24T00:09:07.379-04:002011-04-24T00:09:07.379-04:00I think you are arguing against a straw man. No on...I think you are arguing against a straw man. No one is saying SAT and GPA are everything. The more serious claim is that even after extracurriculars, legacy status, etc. are controlled for there is an Asian penalty assigned (de facto) on the basis of race. As far as I can tell, Jewish applicants are not assessed any such penalty these days, although they certainly were in the past. Please read steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-48998630306040767512011-04-23T15:48:59.220-04:002011-04-23T15:48:59.220-04:00What you wrote above is just terribly confused...What you wrote above is just terribly confused...steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-16662681995714258252011-04-23T15:31:07.008-04:002011-04-23T15:31:07.008-04:00Russian science is rather a late flower, is it not...Russian science is rather a late flower, is it not? And mostly a Jewish thing, no? (I could be wrong on that last but I doubt it)<br /><br />But a sudden shift in what a people can do can be the culmination of a long and invisible genetic change - it seems sudden because it suddenly bears fruit. But I don't think that sudden changes in a nations performance profile necessarily mean it's Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-4292512354034967762011-04-23T15:17:43.713-04:002011-04-23T15:17:43.713-04:00Ha ha ha, why are you so threatened by me? I am si...Ha ha ha, why are you so threatened by me? I am simply an apostle of truth :) Come over to the side of light, Yan Shen. You'll feel better, my friend.Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-80041963466937780052011-04-23T15:15:37.849-04:002011-04-23T15:15:37.849-04:00Yan Shen says: " It makes no sense to say tha...Yan Shen says: " It makes no sense to say that a test is the best measure of pure g, i.e most g-loaded, but that the g it measures is less g-loaded than the g of some other test. g is just one thing. There aren't different flavors of g."<br /><br />Here we have the crucial misunderstanding. A test is more heavily g loaded if it captures the ability underlying all factors (or thoughtAaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-71606606246758248192011-04-23T14:42:26.628-04:002011-04-23T14:42:26.628-04:00As graceful an acceptance of defeat as you are pro...As graceful an acceptance of defeat as you are probably capable of :) Not bad, you've reduced the insult content of your reply to only about 70%. I leave you with one last word of advice, my hot tempered young friend. As you get older you'll realize energy, however admirable, cannot substitute for a sharp mind, and a shift to insult, however satisfying, is probably a sign that at some Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-1937352987828682202011-04-23T11:51:16.518-04:002011-04-23T11:51:16.518-04:00Aaron, it's kind of obvious from what you'...Aaron, it's kind of obvious from what you've written on this point that you do not understand factor analysis (or even linear algebra).<br /><br />Just because the verbal or reasoning factors have the largest g loading out of the 7 factors you listed (which are themselves a bit controversial among experts), doesn't mean that a test like RAPM can't be more heavily g loaded than anysteve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-68551540821067632652011-04-23T11:34:20.589-04:002011-04-23T11:34:20.589-04:00Very strange that you would denigrate Russian scie...Very strange that you would denigrate Russian science and mathematics. (Do you know what you are talking about?) The whole point is that these things change over time, and over timescales too short for there to be anything but a cultural or institutional explanation (gene frequencies don't change much in 100 years). Please have a look at Needham's book. You will find many examples of steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-75404293299241077642011-04-23T11:30:09.077-04:002011-04-23T11:30:09.077-04:00I have 10+ years of SAT data from the University o...I have 10+ years of SAT data from the University of Oregon. It shows that only very rarely do SAT scores move by as much as 1 SD on retest. So most methods of preparation do not work, or only yield modest improvement. Obviously many people spend money on things that don't work. Astrologers are still in business, sometimes even in the White House.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-83081786292806111372011-04-23T08:22:01.185-04:002011-04-23T08:22:01.185-04:00My momma taught me to not gripe like a loser when ...My momma taught me to not gripe like a loser when someone else was doing better than me in life! I wonder who else that lesson could benefit?<br /><br />In the future, think more carefully before you derail a thread with your gratuitous and irrelevant negativity, because I'm going to keep smacking you around and making sure that you adhere to a modicum of intellectual rigor and honesty in Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-58995868441270707492011-04-23T08:10:21.140-04:002011-04-23T08:10:21.140-04:00You're so stupid. Fuck off.You're so stupid. Fuck off.Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35110810862839905612011-04-23T07:10:27.963-04:002011-04-23T07:10:27.963-04:00Ironically, the time lag theory would explain the ...Ironically, the time lag theory would explain the lack of great scientific research in Asia, and yet that is the one thing that Asians, especially the Japanese, have been relatively good at it. The time lag says nothing about the abscence of great thinkers in all fields.<br /><br />It seems to me this entire argument revolves around a crucial confusion; you are talking about large scale Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-79787125412820630962011-04-23T06:27:46.226-04:002011-04-23T06:27:46.226-04:00Duh. It measures non-verbal reasoning, otherwise k...Duh. It measures non-verbal reasoning, otherwise knows as....visuo-spatial intelligence! Obviously all intelligence is a form of reasoning (perhaps plus memory), the question is merely what kind. No one is arguing that Asians are incapable of all kinds of reasoning, just that they are peculiarly good at some kinds, involving space and objects within it, but not at others.<br /><br />But you are Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77662705544849789482011-04-23T06:16:22.060-04:002011-04-23T06:16:22.060-04:00Aaron, you're too hilarious. You really are th...Aaron, you're too hilarious. You really are the single most insecure person I've ever seen. And you entire post is rambling, incoherent, and riddled with misspellings. It's like you just repeat the same thing over and over again, while disregarding everything I've said and providing zero historical references of your own! By this point, I've gotten tired of debating with an Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-39159656324170809662011-04-23T04:30:02.390-04:002011-04-23T04:30:02.390-04:00Read your own link more carefully.
"The two ...Read your own link more carefully.<br /><br />"The two with the highest g loadings are the verbal and reasoning factors... Raven Progressive Matrices is a good example of a culture reduced test that loads highly on the reasoning factor alone."Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19269633792072610272011-04-23T03:46:51.682-04:002011-04-23T03:46:51.682-04:00Right, so this is the problem with your analysis. ...Right, so this is the problem with your analysis. I'm not talking about political stability. I'm talking about having institutions amenable to intellectual progress. Remember, one of the criticisms was that countries like China and Japan were isolationist, disinterested in ideas from other cultures, etc. Your idea that East Asia began to take Western ideas seriously since 1850 is Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35945144083842215862011-04-23T03:20:05.415-04:002011-04-23T03:20:05.415-04:00I would agree that the kind of slow, incremental r...I would agree that the kind of slow, incremental refinement of technologies we see as scientific "progress" today depends on those things, but the production of radical new ideas and ways of looking at the world seems to me to perhaps have other sources. I would distinguish between brilliant original thinkers and incremental technological advance. But I take your point - the issue is Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-45663719932928022292011-04-23T03:15:49.295-04:002011-04-23T03:15:49.295-04:00Since this conversation has taken the particular t...Since this conversation has taken the particular turn that it has, let me just state that the main problem of all of this racial strife is because of insecure whites! This really goes to the heart of a much larger issue present within American society. For instance, this thread was going along perfectly fine until Guy derailed it entirely with a long-winded rant about IQ and HBD and Asians. No Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-40966835625599086602011-04-23T02:26:05.685-04:002011-04-23T02:26:05.685-04:00I've already exhausted the many other flaws of...I've already exhausted the many other flaws of yours.<br /><br />1. You being a low IQ idiot.<br />2. You never bothering to cite data to support your flawed assertions.<br />3. You being incredibly whiny and insecure and monotonous. <br /><br />Now tell us Aaron, what community college did you go to again?<br /><br />And by the way, it's spelled PROUDEST! ;)<br /><br />Nah, as a Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-44687314833666659042011-04-23T02:18:15.975-04:002011-04-23T02:18:15.975-04:00Spelling, eh? Best you could come up with? Seems a...Spelling, eh? Best you could come up with? Seems appropriate, though. As an Asian intellect, perhaps mastering the alphabet IS your poudest achievement :) I hope it didn't take you too many hours of grind, though. After all, the world is full of trivial minutiae for you to devote endless hours of grind to :) And yes, mastering technicalities is just as good as having original throughts. Don&#Aaron Abrahamhttp://profiles.google.com/aarbenabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-62204058542978573352011-04-23T02:16:08.155-04:002011-04-23T02:16:08.155-04:00"Yes. The SAT is heavily g-loaded. I have ess..."Yes. The SAT is heavily g-loaded. I have essentially said that, I think maybe 14 or 15 times now? That said, I also know prep helps extensively. Honestly, I'm very skeptical of CollegeBoard's claim that studying has little impact on scores. I think it's probably in their best interest to make that claim. I actually don't think 100 points is all that uncommon of an increase, Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33392166332008438632011-04-23T02:06:37.827-04:002011-04-23T02:06:37.827-04:00Yan Shen. Take a deep breath. It's ok.
Are ...Yan Shen. Take a deep breath. It's ok.<br /><br />Are you just on an infinite loop here? Do you just like listening to yourself speak? Have you noticed where I said to Aaron, "You're taking this to the other extreme: you're discounting the intelligence of those who score high as merely 'hard workers.'"<br /><br />Yes. The SAT is heavily g-loaded. I have TheGuyFromEarliernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-83785296263580685852011-04-23T01:37:20.021-04:002011-04-23T01:37:20.021-04:00I agree--I think personality does in fact play a r...I agree--I think personality does in fact play a role. I don't see how the mentality you take into approaching tasks would not aggregate in a significant way (as Hsu has talked about "maverick" personalities). Some people are not going to like that assertion.TheGuyFromEarliernoreply@blogger.com