tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post6748091645242484581..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: The value of hard workSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-60919976370776361292010-02-26T18:52:04.551-05:002010-02-26T18:52:04.551-05:00Victor Niederhoffer made at least a B by taking on...Victor Niederhoffer made at least a B by taking only graduate courses.<br /><br />He claims there is an expression "Niederhoffering", which means to take only grad courses to assure at least a B.Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-29514725546473037402010-02-26T18:35:01.556-05:002010-02-26T18:35:01.556-05:00^
Oops. I meant objective. I mixed it up.
An...^<br /><br />Oops. I meant objective. I mixed it up. <br /><br />Another issue I have with the study is the statement, "So, it seems likely that UO students with high in-major GPAs have subject mastery similar to the better students at elite universities."<br /><br />This statement assumes that the course material and expectation levels at UO are the same as at a elite universities.The Asian of Reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518010845263444471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-22351803588507279452010-02-26T13:03:55.609-05:002010-02-26T13:03:55.609-05:00"Physics exams are far more subjective than h..."Physics exams are far more subjective than humanities exams."<br /><br />^^^A comedian.Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35967360002103006222010-02-26T09:38:16.700-05:002010-02-26T09:38:16.700-05:00National comprehensive subject exams would solve t...National comprehensive subject exams would solve the problem, if only the powers that be had any interest in implementing. Both colleges and the government are too afraid of the potential results. What if are kids really didn't learn ANYTHING in college? That would be a shocker. <br /><br />^I agree with poster above. Steve is clearly affected by cognitive bias. Have you met anyone from The Asian of Reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518010845263444471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-7185086203762096012010-02-26T02:48:35.186-05:002010-02-26T02:48:35.186-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35943829008988677942010-02-26T02:48:14.241-05:002010-02-26T02:48:14.241-05:00"Certainly in physics you can tell easily fro..."Certainly in physics you can tell easily from final exams what the level of mastery is."<br /><br />This is a cognitive bias of yours Steve. Grades do not correlate with SAT/IQ so much for reasons other than "conscientiousness".<br /><br />Grades are 1) subjective 2) cover learning over a short period of time.<br /><br />It is interesting that gpa is taken by universities andIan Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-89247606166585691712010-02-25T22:21:33.333-05:002010-02-25T22:21:33.333-05:00The claim that hard work makes the difference is s...The claim that hard work makes the difference is speculative. Of course, it could be some other compensating factor. However, as someone with a fair amount of teaching experience (not to mention experience as a student), it's clear to me that effort can compensate for ability.<br /><br />The claim that a high grade is related to mastery is subject to similar uncertainty, although I imagine Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-89644238559919809372010-02-25T21:30:52.270-05:002010-02-25T21:30:52.270-05:00Interesting. I see your data, but what I am concer...Interesting. I see your data, but what I am concerned about is your premise that high GPA is indicative of mastery of course material. What if it isn't? I'm no quant, but I still don't see how your research can prove that GPA actually shows mastery of the material. <br /><br />You also appear to assume that if a student with low SAT attains a high GPA, this means that they worked The Asian of Reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518010845263444471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-66042377106680998622010-02-25T12:57:36.580-05:002010-02-25T12:57:36.580-05:00Is that why physics was the easiest subject for me...Is that why physics was the easiest subject for me?<br /><br />And I had much more trouble with humanities courses despite a 760 SAT verbal?<br /><br />DEATH TO AMERICA!Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-67724954450000094532010-02-24T15:37:29.098-05:002010-02-24T15:37:29.098-05:00The average grades in upper div humanities classes...The average grades in upper div humanities classes are only slightly higher in than in science classes. We've checked that the effect is not simply grade inflation. You can measure grades in terms of SD relative to mean for the major. The main point is that low SAT people are able to achieve GPAs well above the mean in humanities majors but not, e.g., in physics.Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-6026073497299874582010-02-24T14:59:21.892-05:002010-02-24T14:59:21.892-05:00Perhaps the Philosophy undergraduate program at UO...Perhaps the Philosophy undergraduate program at UO is a bastion of grade inflation. There is no cognitive threshold because the professors/graders/etc choose to give good grades for mediocre work. This phenomenon can apply to many liberal arts major. It certainly happens at my University.<br /><br />GPA in STEM fields and math SAT scores are another story.The Asian of Reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518010845263444471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-48963928523819958942010-02-17T06:55:50.049-05:002010-02-17T06:55:50.049-05:00What a great blog chocerbloc full of interesting s...What a great blog chocerbloc full of interesting stuff! I see you are interested in statistical research. I have put one of the most comprehensive link lists for hundreds of thousands of statistical sources and indicators on my blog: <a href="http://crisismaven.wordpress.com/references/" rel="nofollow">Statistics Reference List</a>. And what I find most fascinating is how data can be visualised Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-13253237280431833482010-02-13T17:24:14.392-05:002010-02-13T17:24:14.392-05:00Dave: there are a number of places where selection...Dave: there are a number of places where selection effects could be important. For example, the honors college kids have the SAT and GPA to be at elite privates, but perhaps there is some systematic effect related to them being here instead.<br /><br />One big selection effect that pertains to cognitive thresholds is that we only plot kids who actually graduated in the major. If you look at, e.g.Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-12152805871667513242010-02-13T14:50:42.255-05:002010-02-13T14:50:42.255-05:00I once heard that the best thing a kids SAT predic...I once heard that the best thing a kids SAT predicted was the family's household income.<br /><br />Do you have data on that?Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231830109819649947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-12617764825129887962010-02-12T19:10:40.578-05:002010-02-12T19:10:40.578-05:00Thanks, Steve!Thanks, Steve!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-49031204348296090902010-02-12T16:17:05.816-05:002010-02-12T16:17:05.816-05:00This is real interesting, would love to see more. ...This is real interesting, would love to see more. One question: have you given thought to selection?Dave Backushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11472846910681816429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-75204191539632094672010-02-11T19:43:13.741-05:002010-02-11T19:43:13.741-05:00Philosophy has zero market value.
Philosophy prof...Philosophy has zero market value.<br /><br />Philosophy professors make a living off the hardship of their students during and after school.<br /><br />They are rip-off artists/con men.<br /><br />Don't be fooled.Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-88261960825262164122010-02-11T15:54:08.138-05:002010-02-11T15:54:08.138-05:00PS Just to clarify, I didn't mean to say that ...PS Just to clarify, I didn't mean to say that the majority of low-SAT philosophy majors were able to obtain high GPAs, but rather that we have a nontrivial number of examples. The probability of this kind of "overachievement" seems lower in, e.g., physics or math, especially relative to SAT-M score.Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-28316252089034894272010-02-11T15:41:48.420-05:002010-02-11T15:41:48.420-05:00When I get the OK I'll post a link to a compre...When I get the OK I'll post a link to a comprehensive set of graphs of our results.<br /><br />To answer your question, we don't see evidence of a cognitive threshold for the philosophy major. Philosophy students with SAT < 1000 and SAT-V < 600 or even 500 were able to obtain in-major, upper division GPAs of 3.5--4.0. The results are pretty similar to what we found for history Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-26609020592030762652010-02-11T15:13:05.420-05:002010-02-11T15:13:05.420-05:00Would you be willing to share your raw data? I...Would you be willing to share your raw data? I'm particularly interested in whether you found a cognitive threshold in philosophy like you found in pure math, etc..<br /><br />If you are, I'll send you a PM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-86537379776044425982010-02-11T07:10:47.535-05:002010-02-11T07:10:47.535-05:00"Other factors, such as hard work or conscien..."Other factors, such as hard work or conscientiousness, probably play at least as large a role"<br /><br />that is ... PUSHINESS<br /><br />"Overall, the message is hopeful: SAT score only accounts for a fraction of total variation in college success"<br /><br />that is ... the opposite of hopeful<br /><br />Death to America!Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-29262207049670243162010-02-11T07:09:35.089-05:002010-02-11T07:09:35.089-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12228466089497368022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-54646529400159615192010-02-11T04:46:26.031-05:002010-02-11T04:46:26.031-05:00Looking forward to more data!Looking forward to more data!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385843031123248538noreply@blogger.com