tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post4591258347711949074..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Working in the darkSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55609365049298464562013-08-10T01:44:10.926-04:002013-08-10T01:44:10.926-04:00I think the missing word in all of these conversat...I think the missing word in all of these conversations is "grit". I believe it's difficult to quantify it, but it's probably highly correlated with somebody's chance of being successful. And admission officers of top universities seek students who have high intellectual capacity and, more importantly, who have the drive to pursue life-long journeys to contributing to societyEd chennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-87182475933904128622013-08-04T07:50:24.995-04:002013-08-04T07:50:24.995-04:00Great point ben_g, their results probably are stab...Great point ben_g, their results probably are stable once we identify what factor they are really using. And this makes it easy to test validity as well. As long as they are not destroying the data ...LondonYoungnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-46372271467017922252013-08-03T03:25:18.963-04:002013-08-03T03:25:18.963-04:00If you want the sham of "self-government"...If you want the sham of "self-government", you can't escape the hypocrisies it breeds.5371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-41749996222637523182013-08-03T02:23:33.877-04:002013-08-03T02:23:33.877-04:00"when I asked why a low-income student with t..."when I asked why a low-income student with top grades and scores, and who had served in the Israeli army, was a 3"<br /><br /><br />MAbruzzi spurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-61059541734349504582013-08-02T23:21:54.832-04:002013-08-02T23:21:54.832-04:00The perfect is made the enemy of the good.
It is...The perfect is made the enemy of the good.<br /><br /><br />It is true that a great many high scorers will be boring, unambitious, antisocial, etc. And motivated by this fear, the admissions people suppose they can do better. But they can't. Give me a pool of high scorers over a pool selected by admissions for any competition any day.Abruzzi spurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-64190763226762501562013-08-02T23:12:44.928-04:002013-08-02T23:12:44.928-04:00"to judge applicants actually predict success..."to judge applicants actually predict success?"<br /><br /><br />And obviously, if like the rest of the world, that success were measured by cumulative exams rather than very short term and often very subjective "grades" the validity of tests as admissions criteria would be so far above any other criteria the consideration of other criteria would be indefensible even for the Abruzzi spurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-17116823664028770822013-08-02T23:03:28.092-04:002013-08-02T23:03:28.092-04:00The American ideology is not consistent.
A test ...The American ideology is not consistent.<br /><br /><br />A test based admissions would, it is supposed, result in under-representation of some minorities and of the poor, but only (what?) 2% of HYPS admits are from households with income less than the median, and the US has the most rigid class structure in the developed world.<br /><br /><br /><br />The US is like !984's Oceania. One could Abruzzi spurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-23724358781783389882013-08-02T21:59:53.835-04:002013-08-02T21:59:53.835-04:00"Despite Prop. 209, the nearly equal scores o..."Despite Prop. 209, the nearly equal scores of these "typical" training cases suggests outcomes very similar to those produced by explicit affirmative action. "<br /><br /><br />Then it sounds like they are in fact using stable testing criteria. The more the outcome resembles the goals of the school (inlcuding affirmative action), the better. Apparently their noisy system ben_gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-28718777625294829382013-08-02T20:02:54.077-04:002013-08-02T20:02:54.077-04:00I'm not sure about UG admissions, but for med ...I'm not sure about UG admissions, but for med school the issue has been studied.<br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17089077<br /><br />http://peds.stanford.edu/faculty-resources/documents/MedSchoolAdmissions.whatpredictssuccess.pdf<br /><br />Summary: grades and test scores, structured interviews good; unstructured interviews, essays etc. generally not good. Of course, most Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-80703495311324218772013-08-02T19:03:08.621-04:002013-08-02T19:03:08.621-04:00UCB isn't special yet Steve believed a paper w...UCB isn't special yet Steve believed a paper which claimed that admits to elite unis who chose to attend less elite unis did just as well as those who chose to attend.Abruzzi spurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-62302085530895353782013-08-02T15:04:29.830-04:002013-08-02T15:04:29.830-04:00"Holistic evaluation of applicants = noise? (..."Holistic evaluation of applicants = noise? (Or worse?)"<br /><br /><br />Holistic evaluation of applicants = the worst and most vile kind of racism and stereotyping, perpetuated by the Nazis who populate the admissions offices of our elite universities, and basically a modern form of Jim Crow whereby some people are held to be more equal than othersYan Shennoreply@blogger.com