tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post3731039014983293118..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Not (all) in our genes?Steve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-16536706487406612422014-03-30T09:12:32.221-04:002014-03-30T09:12:32.221-04:00Until the 1960's in England the children of th...Until the 1960's in England the children of the working class were barred by actual formal enactments or informal structures from attending the schools necessary to qualify for membership in the elite clubs that controlled access to opportunities. The dimmest offspring of a duke went to Eton and then inherited boatloads of cash while the brightest offspring of coal miners --- dug more coal.KarenJo12noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-13134704546094203832014-03-25T10:42:31.834-04:002014-03-25T10:42:31.834-04:00They also tend to hire people with reassuring &quo...They also tend to hire people with reassuring "American" sounding names: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.htmlDeAndre Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19205700056660479382014-03-13T02:02:11.893-04:002014-03-13T02:02:11.893-04:00Is it feasible to beat regression to the mean in I...Is it feasible to beat regression to the mean in IQ in subsequent generation through assortative mating, just to keep average IQ at +2 to 3 SD range for each subsequent generation? I am not asking for +3-4 SD!! Let's say we start one person who is +2 SD and who comes from a family with average IQ of +2 SD. What kind of spouse does that person (and subsequent generation, on average) need toBellcurve2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-47891006854183087882014-03-12T20:45:31.744-04:002014-03-12T20:45:31.744-04:00obviously they do, just not nearly as much as the ...obviously they do, just not nearly as much as the social darwinists would like. and the effect of iq on income disappears once educational attainment is controlled for. that is, education mediates all of the advantage.<br /><br />according to a study at the harvard ksg, at most 1/12 of intergenerational status transmission is due to the heritability of iq. and that's in racially heterogeneouschartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-71947895077544725832014-03-12T00:31:21.101-04:002014-03-12T00:31:21.101-04:00That's good to know. Thanks. Do you have a l...That's good to know. Thanks. Do you have a link for this?Bellcurve2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-61128491559555557282014-03-10T11:35:48.713-04:002014-03-10T11:35:48.713-04:00Both income and wealth correlate with IQ.Both income and wealth correlate with IQ.Iamexpertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-36339183903736386232014-03-09T10:14:06.604-04:002014-03-09T10:14:06.604-04:00I suppose not. You do raise a good question and I...I suppose not. You do raise a good question and I appreciate that. I start to think of the implication of leveling the playing field. Since height and appearance (symmetry, BMI, etc.) all have genetic basis and do affect opportunity, I suppose those and all other traits that may affect opportunities and that likely involve multiple complex genes also need to be genetically engineered, if we Bellcurve2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55876333364770895122014-03-08T20:18:34.069-05:002014-03-08T20:18:34.069-05:00Americans tend to nominate for President people wi...Americans tend to nominate for President people with reassuring American-sounding names from the British Isles, or, at a stretch, the Netherlands. Obama, Dukakis, Goldwater, and Eisenhower are notable exceptions. This bias toward British, Irish, or Dutch names probably is strongest at the Presidential level these days (movie stars don't change their names as often anymore) but it has some stevesailernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-75012271315821517552014-03-08T20:09:01.754-05:002014-03-08T20:09:01.754-05:00i'm sure clark has adjusted for that.
my y ch...i'm sure clark has adjusted for that.<br /><br />my y chromosome is also swiss from the canton for which switzerland is named no less.chartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-5228924342779571732014-03-08T18:08:44.945-05:002014-03-08T18:08:44.945-05:00"As I understand,..."
that is a very in..."As I understand,..."<br /><br />that is a very incorrect paraphrase of the data. it may be that adoptive parents aren't very different from one another in the ways that make a difference. and there are examples like the polgar sisters where parenting made a difference in the "cognitive" phenotype.chartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-31043899960357456012014-03-08T09:05:58.803-05:002014-03-08T09:05:58.803-05:00Yes but can we truly talk about equality of opport...Yes but can we truly talk about equality of opportunity or meritocracy if some people have higher IQ than others? Genetic engineering can level the playing field (it can also unlevel it even more, though).Magnusmasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-68817661717811640822014-03-08T01:42:33.292-05:002014-03-08T01:42:33.292-05:00This reminds me of Steve's prior post on the m...This reminds me of Steve's prior post on the movie Gattaca. There will always be a distribution curve for the phenotypic manifestation of any complex trait (such as IQ) involving multiple genes. Many probably use income as a surrogate marker for "success" and income (but not wealth) somewhat correlates with IQ. However, there is still a distribution curve for income for people Bellcurve2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-65819476548698207902014-03-07T21:36:52.911-05:002014-03-07T21:36:52.911-05:00and what is success? as chomsky observed criticizi...and what is success? as chomsky observed criticizing charles murray, there are a great many people for whom "success" is far from the top of their to do list.chartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-64498855098165246542014-03-07T21:23:26.563-05:002014-03-07T21:23:26.563-05:00"The West is meritocratic and merit is largel..."The West is meritocratic and merit is largely determined by genes"<br /><br /><br />is this satire?chartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55106631890737982052014-03-07T20:38:24.317-05:002014-03-07T20:38:24.317-05:00If success is written in our genes (hopefully not)...If success is written in our genes (hopefully not) we better get safe and reliable genome editing otherwise there's going to be genocide that would make hitler blush, either through embryo selection or gas chambers. <br /><br />Hopefully some day we can change our genes as if they were our clothes. Maybe not possible but we can dream.Magnusmasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-80915442107570436632014-03-07T09:27:57.006-05:002014-03-07T09:27:57.006-05:00Steve you may want to read this article on the cas...Steve you may want to read this article on the caste system and IQ in India. Brahmins are supposedly another Ashkenazi jews...<br /><br />http://akarlin.com/2012/08/the-puzzle-of-indian-iq-a-country-of-gypsies-and-jews/<br /> <br />When you go on their wiki page and go to the socioeconomic sections, they outperform even Ashkenazi jewsButchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-76398661719929120122014-03-07T06:23:04.624-05:002014-03-07T06:23:04.624-05:00averaged parent-child correlations of variables su...<i>averaged parent-child correlations of variables such as wealth, <br />education and occupation are in the 0.7 -- 0.8 range over the last 200 <br />years, the same as found in India, with its caste system!</i><br />One way to get this result.<br />The West is meritocratic and merit is largely determined by genes, so children inherit the same abilities that made their parents wealthy/poor.<br />Corneliusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-64350965725882609842014-03-07T05:06:39.699-05:002014-03-07T05:06:39.699-05:00Is it possible that when an unusual surname become...Is it possible that when an unusual surname becomes associated with success, later generations benefit from the kudos. If you met a young Rockefeller today, you would be forgiven from assuming that person was destined for success. You may not make the same assumption of a young person called Ford or Walton.Hamish Johnstonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-21465427491019026582014-03-07T00:43:38.118-05:002014-03-07T00:43:38.118-05:00As I understand, according to long term longitudin...As I understand, according to long term longitudinal study, nurture (including parenting) has no long term effect on the children's IQ and a number of other things. The longer the time after the children leaves the nest, the more their accomplishment reflect their underlying IQ. The effect of parenting on the accomplishment of the children by their 40s and 50s is probably little compared toBellcurve2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33060550604752511802014-03-06T21:34:16.483-05:002014-03-06T21:34:16.483-05:00the british aristocracy is long lived and tall rel...the british aristocracy is long lived and tall relative to commoners.chartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55982278539648721602014-03-06T20:54:31.278-05:002014-03-06T20:54:31.278-05:00But an adopted child could benefit from parenting ...But an adopted child could benefit from parenting or financial inheritance ...steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-34173566753716385802014-03-06T20:35:19.055-05:002014-03-06T20:35:19.055-05:00"...though we know that genetics plays a surp..."...though we know that genetics plays a surprisingly strong role. <br />Alternative explanations that are in vogue — cultural traits, family <br />economic resources, social networks — don’t hold up to scrutiny..."<br /><br /><br />as if these were independent. a neapolitan in seoul would wind up in the loony bin. again there is the implicit assumption that intension and extension are chartreuse1737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-88497725963693183592014-03-06T17:51:42.180-05:002014-03-06T17:51:42.180-05:00It seems likely that there is a social component w...It seems likely that there is a social component which boosts the <br />correlation due to genetic factors. This is not implausible (i.e., kids <br />get a leg up in social status due to parenting or purely financial <br />factors), but somewhat vitiates Clark's conclusion in the NYTimes essay <br />above.<br /><br />A more indirect effect of the genes, but an effect of the genes nonetheless?JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-90391594619338638092014-03-06T17:46:36.235-05:002014-03-06T17:46:36.235-05:00Smarter people tend to be better looking, so that&...Smarter people tend to be better looking, so that's likely one factor in success.CalicoCat1noreply@blogger.com