tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post3086057152838222582..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Stanford and Silicon ValleySteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-82161834552885523102012-10-20T19:40:59.180-04:002012-10-20T19:40:59.180-04:00Some people are smart and some people are dumb.Some people are smart and some people are dumb.Nicki Minaj Sex Tapehttp://twitter.com/NickiTapenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-59673454508844875302012-06-02T21:13:21.110-04:002012-06-02T21:13:21.110-04:00"Five per cent of Google employees are Stanfo..."Five per cent of Google employees are Stanford graduates."<br /><br />Is that all?<br /><br />And what does that count? BA/BS from Stanford? Any degree from Stanford? Terminal degree (including ABD?) from Stanford?<br /><br />When I look up my friends who work at Google, there are far more who went to a U.C. than to Stanford, interestingly enough. U.C.'s engineering schools turn Anthony_Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55331520879114078982012-05-21T18:19:06.842-04:002012-05-21T18:19:06.842-04:00 Oops, that should read "Huang (NVIDIA)."... Oops, that should read "Huang (NVIDIA)."Noah28noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19881664056390795422012-05-21T18:18:26.024-04:002012-05-21T18:18:26.024-04:00Stanford has numerous buildings named after IT peo...Stanford has numerous buildings named after IT people - Hewlett, Packard, Gates (Microsoft), Allen (Microsoft), Yang (Yahoo), Huang (Cisco), Moore (Intel), and others.Noah28noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-39138612035650105382012-05-21T18:03:03.378-04:002012-05-21T18:03:03.378-04:00 What do you mean by "more similar"? As ... What do you mean by "more similar"? As in, old money types?<br /><br />Further, what do you mean by "societal prestige"? Gallup has done polls of colleges' prestige in the US, and Stanford was found to be second only in prestige to Harvard, and ahead of Yale and Princeton. Among college graduates, Gallup found Harvard and Stanford were indistinguishable in prestige (29% Noah28noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-43060869993725668052012-05-21T17:52:48.720-04:002012-05-21T17:52:48.720-04:00 Caltech certainly isn't "completely acad... Caltech certainly isn't "completely academic merit based" in its admissions. It explicitly states in its Common Data Set that racial/ethnic status is a factor in admissions. It also says that alumni/ae relation is a factor in admissions, i.e. it has legacy preferences. And it's long been the case that Caltech uses gender in its admissions - last year, its acceptance rate for Noah28noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55735627136980665132012-05-21T17:43:04.015-04:002012-05-21T17:43:04.015-04:00 fgag fgagNoah28noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-89955591975818908392012-05-18T11:22:55.288-04:002012-05-18T11:22:55.288-04:00 New money eventually leads to old money with cult... New money eventually leads to old money with culture and connections.Where do you think their young will end up?Edwinhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_G45JDQEMTCOP5F37SXY7BOIR4Ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-74379252088503351082012-05-18T11:21:20.441-04:002012-05-18T11:21:20.441-04:00 Why are you so obsessed with getting validation ... Why are you so obsessed with getting validation from the rest of the world?Isnt that the true indicator of a lack of self worth?Edwinhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_G45JDQEMTCOP5F37SXY7BOIR4Ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-79333426093557754032012-05-16T10:47:01.238-04:002012-05-16T10:47:01.238-04:00To pick a number out of the air, after 27, you are...To pick a number out of the air, after 27, you are judged by your ability to make headway against the uncertain world. You won't demonstrate this ability by executing structured curricula. It might help prevent you from slipping out the back of the pack, but I don't think it gets you ahead. I don't mean that critically. I work hard to keep reading and working on new problems that David Coughlinhttp://twitter.com/dscoughlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35784686407864736292012-05-15T21:44:29.455-04:002012-05-15T21:44:29.455-04:00Eh, you can do it with a support staff and a paten...Eh, you can do it with a support staff and a patent and legal system set up to protect you and your IP. That's the whole point about the eco system necessary for these guys to thrive. Plop them down in medieval Europe and they get an ax to the face.<br /><br />Steve Jobs is a much better example of a genuine leader. His biological family has that history, so you know he could survive in Davidhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDZBHXLLMKKWHQUFAJFBARCWTYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85190595966740007742012-05-15T17:52:25.651-04:002012-05-15T17:52:25.651-04:00I doubt if you can actually run a multi-billion do...I doubt if you can actually run a multi-billion dollar corporation with limited social skills. Gates and Zuckerberg are both Harvard-educated ruthless businessmen. Both also come from at least upper-middle class families and attended presitigious private high schools. There certainly are nerds that strike it rich in IT - they come up with a great idea, develop it, and then sell it (think RandomMedStudenthttp://randommedstudent.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-7977234444787784252012-05-15T16:13:50.103-04:002012-05-15T16:13:50.103-04:00I think "In order to be considered high class...I think "In order to be considered high class you have to do something you like all day" would be more accurately stated as something like: "In order to be considered high class you have to do something high class people respect all day." I think plenty of nerds (speaking as one ;-) like the things they do all day just fine, it's just that high class people don't likeRichard Seiternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-22277848084164178082012-05-15T16:09:51.749-04:002012-05-15T16:09:51.749-04:00JP Morgan and Rockefeller had a lot more prestige....JP Morgan and Rockefeller had a lot more prestige. Those guys could have lead nations and armies if they wanted to. They could get elected president. That's the kind of gravitas and presence they have. Those two would have done well in many eras. <br /><br />Bill Gates was born in a particular time, place, and system that allowed a nerd to get rich. Change the circumstances and what Davidhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDZBHXLLMKKWHQUFAJFBARCWTYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-15182446437871755552012-05-15T15:50:02.536-04:002012-05-15T15:50:02.536-04:00I think "I would say that those online univer...I think "I would say that those online universities need to screen out students based on their ability in order to be successful. " is a source of much tension in the Udacity and Coursera online classes. Those classes that have (relatively) rigorous prerequisites or material tend to get substantial complaining about it. IMHO that is one of the main differences between Coursera and Richard Seiternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-48023061671982071522012-05-15T15:28:29.689-04:002012-05-15T15:28:29.689-04:00I have to disagree somewhat. It's true that b...I have to disagree somewhat. It's true that being a nerd isn't prestigious, but I don't think Zuckerberg or Gates have less prestige than say JP Morgan or Rockefeller. What is unprestigious is being a value creator stuck in a lab or back office. Running an IT company is not.RandomMedStudenthttp://randommedstudent.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-31869404182008563992012-05-15T14:58:56.820-04:002012-05-15T14:58:56.820-04:00A large part of "meaningful credit" is s...A large part of "meaningful credit" is simply signaling the general intelligence the student intrinsically possesses, which is signaled by a prestigious college degree. Personally, I don't think college itself adds much value, since the value of the college is directly related to the talent of the student body (and the occupational connections that come from the perception of a BlackRoseMLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-78709050759740360562012-05-15T14:32:07.940-04:002012-05-15T14:32:07.940-04:00Sure. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that...Sure. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that "nerds" aren't going to get a lot of validation from the rest of the world no matter what they do. Whether you make 100 billion dollars or not, you still need to find a way to generate self worth internally rather then from the approval of others.Davidhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDZBHXLLMKKWHQUFAJFBARCWTYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-39733173021165338612012-05-15T14:13:56.170-04:002012-05-15T14:13:56.170-04:00Class and status are fun, but people with money ha...Class and status are fun, but people with money have real power. Bloomberg, Jim Simons, Google founders, Zuck, Buffet, etc. all have something in common -- they are smart and they did/created stuff. The geek/nerd neg loses a lot of force as you get older. steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-78246972974524807872012-05-15T14:10:04.082-04:002012-05-15T14:10:04.082-04:00Y is weaker in STEM so it's a slightly differe...Y is weaker in STEM so it's a slightly different category of school.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-2830750756385127792012-05-15T14:08:28.539-04:002012-05-15T14:08:28.539-04:00In order to be considered high class you have to d...In order to be considered high class you have to do something you like all day. Protestations to the contrary withstanding, nearly everyone sees tech/engineering as a boring thing nerds do because its the only way for them to gain status. This was clearly demonstrated by Aaron Sorkin's take on Mark Zuckerberg is "The Social Network". That's the mainstream view of tech guys, Davidhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDZBHXLLMKKWHQUFAJFBARCWTYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-20984977002946658622012-05-15T14:01:10.843-04:002012-05-15T14:01:10.843-04:00Is there a reason you leave out Y when you say HPS...Is there a reason you leave out Y when you say HPSM?<br />It's true that M has started aping HYP. It tried to strike a gender balance and limits the number of international students (mostly Asian).<br />Still, I know a girl in my med school class who went to M and whose sister went to Y. Her perception is still that MIT students are more down to earth and tend to come from more middle classRandomMedStudenthttp://randommedstudent.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-14358534183473672572012-05-15T13:56:51.403-04:002012-05-15T13:56:51.403-04:00See my post Creators and Rulers.See my post Creators and Rulers.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-92158401959741424932012-05-15T13:55:36.006-04:002012-05-15T13:55:36.006-04:00I know one of the Coursera founders. It will be ve...I know one of the Coursera founders. It will be very interesting to see how all of this plays out. It's not really a technology competition, though.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-32950135314972194972012-05-15T13:54:17.920-04:002012-05-15T13:54:17.920-04:00Caltech's model will not allow it to compete w...Caltech's model will not allow it to compete with HPSM for the reason you mention, among others. (M has started aping HPS and isn't that much like Caltech anymore.) It's still a great institution for creating value for society, but it will never win the prestige or even the resource/endowment competition.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.com