tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post216738487340268165..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Asian-White IQ variance from PISA resultsSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-70945094618705553232014-12-10T05:16:15.132-05:002014-12-10T05:16:15.132-05:00This entire post sweeps under the rug or does not ...This entire post sweeps under the rug or does not account for the entire intention and design of cognitive tests—namely to be as free of environmental variables as possible, and to only test inherent variables. Moreover, these tests have been administered to children as young as three or four years old from different groups, with similar distributions being yielded as a result.Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-82925389931071627262014-12-10T04:17:39.812-05:002014-12-10T04:17:39.812-05:00Your first claim is totally false. I suppose that ...Your first claim is totally false. I suppose that the following is not really common knowledge amongst Americans or western Europeans for that matter: there is tremendous and stunning diversity within China and Asia. With 4 million people, Asia has over half of the world's population and there is no evidence to suggest that it is any less genetically diverse than other areas. On the part of Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-32600574221804318552014-11-17T13:07:19.995-05:002014-11-17T13:07:19.995-05:00Interesting analysis. The data still shows that th...Interesting analysis. The data still shows that the top end of the Asian distribution compresses toward the top. For example, male Finns are 111 points behind China at the 75th percentile, but 91 behind at the 90th.Caba Aba Babanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-17404232685800684222014-02-10T09:39:17.053-05:002014-02-10T09:39:17.053-05:00Todd Smith said:
the average IQ of "German ad...<b>Todd Smith said:</b><br /><i>the average IQ of "German adults form Germany" is 107 according to Dr. Richard Lynn- the worlds foremost "expert" on "IQ". </i><br /><br />In none of Richard Lynn's 3 books on national IQ data does he claim that Germany has a score of 107. For some reason the Flynn-adjusted results of Buj's 1981 study on assorted nation's X12noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-79336731299279128802013-12-04T16:07:49.975-05:002013-12-04T16:07:49.975-05:00So how does your analysis correspond to the PISA r...So how does your analysis correspond to the PISA results of Russians, the number of Russian Nobel Prize winners in physics and the Asian ones? If you started thinking you would see that PISA test results have changed dramatically for many nations in the last decades while the genetic composition of the investigated populations did not. Correct the number of Russian Nobel Prize winners in Physics Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-52633900026118555452013-11-15T19:15:31.482-05:002013-11-15T19:15:31.482-05:00Interesting. I don't think IQ is a very good m...Interesting. I don't think IQ is a very good measure of what it means to be "smart". Steve jobs probably had an iq under 150 as measured by a pen and paper test, but his thinking had a much greater impact than most people with an "IQ" "higher" than his. Humans do so much, I think the very idea of measuring intelligence with a sit down test is absurd. <br /><br /Todd Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-50336316211962751242012-03-26T01:00:24.713-04:002012-03-26T01:00:24.713-04:00Look, I wouldn't trust the math results too bl...Look, I wouldn't trust the math results too blindly. With a sane educational system one might, but I'm Swedish and at the age of 15 I was held back in school (because I was well ahead of the rest of my class). In fact, I didn't attend a single math lesson/class at all for the entire school-year when I was 15. (I'm not kidding.) I was not even offered to attend the math classes of Space Kozaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-69143395549704335162012-03-26T00:34:00.767-04:002012-03-26T00:34:00.767-04:00>Come up with a biological reason why one race ...>Come up with a biological reason why one race might have greater mean or<br /> stddev in aptitudes, and then it might be worthwhile to see if the <br />'thoeretical prediction' appears in data.<br /><br />I realize I'm replying to a three year old post, but wouldn't the differences in brain-sizes (that are present even at birth) alone be a biological reason enough to expect Space Kozaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-58580553366163376272011-11-19T03:43:11.639-05:002011-11-19T03:43:11.639-05:00Steve, this rhetoric is useless. The E.Asians have...Steve, this rhetoric is useless. The E.Asians have their big brains and the whites have theirs, and that's what's important. And even if a country like China could produce 200 million quality engineers, who's going to employ them? The super smart and the super rich control this world, and as of now there are more whites in this group than E.Asians. If you want to go around feeling Baron Baalhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWLQZAO2ANQFO7K7H3ZIP2O7BMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-16207694107026962112011-11-19T03:39:09.834-05:002011-11-19T03:39:09.834-05:00Steve, this rhetoric is useless. You E.Asians have...Steve, this rhetoric is useless. You E.Asians have your big brains and the whites have theirs, and even if China could come up with 200 million quality engineers and scientists, who's going to employ them? This world we live in is controlled by the super smart and the super rich, and as of now whites have a bit more of both when compared to the E. Asians. So yes, Steve, if you want to go Baron Baalhttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWLQZAO2ANQFO7K7H3ZIP2O7BMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-62050187588788681042010-05-29T12:58:22.350-04:002010-05-29T12:58:22.350-04:00Steve, are these studies accounting for the racial...Steve, are these studies accounting for the racial diversity that exists within Western Europe and America? NE Asia is relatively homogeneous so a sampling of this population is obviously going to reveal the true IQ of this group. Western Europe, on the otherhand, has become, in the last 20-30 years or so, inundated with minorities from undeveloped countries who traditionally score low on IQ Kevin Stewartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-59434976412247192852008-12-27T22:24:00.000-05:002008-12-27T22:24:00.000-05:00I suspect data from countries with large immigrant...I suspect data from countries with large immigrant populations should be treated with much suspicion. From my observations, the children of immigrants tend to almost always work harder than their native peers.<BR/><BR/>Cultural differences also need to be considered strongly. In my own upbringing I met with east asians, caucasians, and polynesians. Culturally the east asians prized academic CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616975360435179339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-8586099348845237842008-11-21T21:50:00.000-05:002008-11-21T21:50:00.000-05:00I'm curious as to what Shandong's score is, becaus...I'm curious as to what Shandong's score is, because they are supposedly the smartest and highest scoring province in China (Zhejiang is second).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-652649142483225342008-10-14T02:07:00.000-04:002008-10-14T02:07:00.000-04:00Steve,I am not so much challenging what you are sa...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I am not so much challenging what you are saying but simply stating that I am very skeptical of any innate advantages of one ethnic group over another. African immigrants are certainly not representative of their native populations, but neither are Chinese immigrants. I have not seen a complete collection of regional data of Chinese provinces, but I am certain that the averages inUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10076687256433369392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-17897686392817766772008-09-07T07:15:00.000-04:002008-09-07T07:15:00.000-04:00This is my search in 2006 through the Home network...This is my search in 2006 through the Home network literature database to collect some of the Chinese primary school children in areas of data:<BR/>Note: on the network has multiple versions, this is my first published in post.baidu.com<BR/><BR/>From the table that China can be between children with IQ (non-adult) differences are great, and the main difference is not a North-South differences, Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09598599808517223913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-82389466280170242442008-09-07T07:08:00.000-04:002008-09-07T07:08:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09598599808517223913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-78176899624887906962008-08-24T15:17:00.000-04:002008-08-24T15:17:00.000-04:00PISA tests heavily the reading comprehension skill...PISA tests heavily the reading comprehension skills. It is questionable how much it tests the math skills. <BR/><BR/>A statistician could dig the data and find out the factors below the surface of the results. <BR/><BR/>Countries with a small number of immigrants who do not comprehend the questions in PISA test seem to do fine, like Finland and Chinese speaking countries.<BR/><BR/>And now the Qhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08375689345746723196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55126104169912166862008-07-29T03:53:00.000-04:002008-07-29T03:53:00.000-04:00I believe that the East Asians are far more intell...I believe that the East Asians are far more intelligent than whites. I also do not find evidence compelling for greater variance in white intelligence. What I find compelling is the disparity in Formula 1 racing in which I worked many years. F1 provides a real world Japan vs. West showdown. The results are evident, when inventiveness and innovation are required, the British and Italians are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-64066333619933472872008-07-28T21:11:00.000-04:002008-07-28T21:11:00.000-04:00Qi: Who says the African immigrants here are repre...Qi: <BR/><BR/>Who says the African immigrants here are representative of their national populations? Extrapolating the 52% figure to the entire population of Africa is a stretch. (Also, are those degrees obtained in the US or in Africa? It may affect your +1 SD estimate.)<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you understand what a selection effect is. The designers of tests like PISA try to obtain nationally Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-63812212260499161232008-07-28T20:44:00.000-04:002008-07-28T20:44:00.000-04:00>>If you extrapolate the NE Asian >>nu...>>If you extrapolate the NE Asian >>numbers to the 1.3 billion >>population of China you get >>something like 300k individuals at >>this level, which is pretty >>overwhelming.<BR/><BR/>According to this website,<BR/>http://www.asian-nation.org/immigrant-stats.shtml<BR/>immigrants in the US from Africa have a rate of 52% of college degree or higher. Let's Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10076687256433369392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-4949822250734205802008-07-25T20:28:00.000-04:002008-07-25T20:28:00.000-04:00Anonymous: if you think IQ means nothing, please h...Anonymous: if you think IQ means nothing, please have a look at the more recent post on measured IQs of eminent science and the ensuing discussion:<BR/><BR/>http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2008/07/annals-of-psychometry-iqs-of-eminent.html<BR/><BR/>Qi: I don't know what you are trying to say. If you think there is a problem with, e.g., the methodology of PISA or IQ testing or the meaning of the Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-22394000344792776912008-07-25T19:55:00.000-04:002008-07-25T19:55:00.000-04:00Hi, Steve, I have enjoyed reading your blog for aw...Hi, Steve, I have enjoyed reading your blog for awhile now, just wondering, have you considered that racial divisions in a country is dictated for the purposes of its political factions?<BR/><BR/>Rather than testing between Taiwanese and German-Americans, why not test between the Hmongs and the Finns, or the between the Burmese and the Gujarats, or the Hui Chinese with Hasidic Jews? According to Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10076687256433369392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-69439036202214628112008-07-18T01:39:00.000-04:002008-07-18T01:39:00.000-04:00There are lies, damn lies and statistics.ENOUGH sa...There are lies, damn lies and statistics.<BR/><BR/>ENOUGH said of this crap.<BR/><BR/>The man with highest present recorded IQ at over 200 is frustrated bouncer-scientist-wanna-be who suffered mental and physical abuse from his step father.<BR/><BR/>IQ means nothing if not less than nothing...<BR/><BR/>So, STOP discussing IQ differences between the races, because all you engender by this kind of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-88755187774596163702008-06-21T21:44:00.000-04:002008-06-21T21:44:00.000-04:00This is a great post. I'd point out that IQ correl...This is a great post. I'd point out that IQ correlates highly with PISA and TIMSS results:<BR/><BR/>http://groups.uni-paderborn.de/rindermann/materialien/PublikationsPDFs/07EJP<BR/><BR/>and in Lubinski's gifted study you'll note that<BR/><BR/>http://www.appstate.edu/~webbrm/jap2001.pdf<BR/><BR/>"All 320 participants (78% Caucasian, 20% Asian, 2% other) in this<BR/>10-year follow-up study secured Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85631210838189009882008-06-20T18:29:00.000-04:002008-06-20T18:29:00.000-04:00What I'd really love to see, based on Razib's sugg...What I'd really love to see, based on Razib's suggestion that intelligence is necessary but not sufficient for scientific creativity, is data like testosterone level, body weight, socioeconomic status, and so on matched with the IQ score.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com