tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post1038187648261084106..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Social Darwinism: 21st century editionSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-600116206029924422010-07-20T17:29:38.272-04:002010-07-20T17:29:38.272-04:00""impulsive, violent, innumerate, and la...""impulsive, violent, innumerate, and lazy" vs. "patience, self-control, passivity, and hard work""<br /><br />You sound like an "anti-racist" scold.' If that's the concern -- if it helps -- form a Nietzschean perspective, these domesticated folk, productive as they are, don't represent much of worth. So you could could say: "creative, Chucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-68648705283709666942010-07-20T16:49:01.112-04:002010-07-20T16:49:01.112-04:00"A century from now will heriditarian wackos ..."A century from now will heriditarian wackos try to explain the computer with genetic change in the US population?"<br /><br />A century from now, will environmentalist wackos still try to explain all human differentiation in non-genetics terms and try to portray all genetic change as being unrelated to social and technological factors -- even after people have begun to practice Chucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-40540965142818086592010-07-19T16:51:36.855-04:002010-07-19T16:51:36.855-04:00Here is another 'bio-history' type paper, ...Here is another 'bio-history' type paper, this one in relation to the fall of the Roman Empire.<br /><br />"Over the last 10,000 years, the human genome has changed at an accelerating rate. This change seems to<br />reflect adaptations to new social, cultural, and behavioral environments, including the rise of the State<br />and its monopoly on violence. State societies punish bottinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-23362477996939413152010-07-19T13:45:37.962-04:002010-07-19T13:45:37.962-04:00Yes, I never thought that "wogs begin at Cala...Yes, I never thought that "wogs begin at Calais" would reappear as 21st century quantitative biologico-economic history.<br />Evidently I was not yet cynical enough.anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-13345929342471716402010-07-19T13:17:36.582-04:002010-07-19T13:17:36.582-04:00A century from now will heriditarian wackos try to...A century from now will heriditarian wackos try to explain the computer with genetic change in the US population? <br /><br />There has been change since the Agricultural Revolution. The size of the teeth of various human populations is related to how long that population has practiced farming or pastoralism.<br /><br />This author seeks a biological explanation for technology. This is prima Jin Dihhttp://profiles.yahoo.com/u/TFQ4SZEC7IEMA2PXTDSXILSFQEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-24632801370493142082010-07-19T11:01:37.675-04:002010-07-19T11:01:37.675-04:00As a compassionate society, we can and should offe...As a compassionate society, we can and should offer many types of assistance to the poor, who tend to be lower IQ and more psychologically unstable. The lower classes have in recent history tended to promote devolution of humans by the fact they have more children than non-Proles. As has been pointed out, this was never the case throughout human history. In order to remain a compassionate countryShawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-66515963666565454922010-07-19T10:20:50.458-04:002010-07-19T10:20:50.458-04:00The PC Left hijacked this area of science; many of...The PC Left hijacked this area of science; many of the most committed Leftists, such as Stephen Gould, were knowingly deceptive.<br /><br />I do think that modern research will vindicate theories that were common sense in the days of yesteryear.Shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-61071366953913116562010-07-19T02:48:55.898-04:002010-07-19T02:48:55.898-04:00***So I don't see Clark's mechanism workin...***So I don't see Clark's mechanism working the same way over the last 150-200 years -- more likely the opposite. Did I miss something? ***<br /><br />No, that is correct (see Seymour Itzkoff's book, 'The Decline of Intelligence in America'). As Steve points out, Clark is referring to changes in the lead up to the Industrial Revolution. <br /><br />Interestingly, over a bottinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19875588143945785842010-07-19T01:42:39.968-04:002010-07-19T01:42:39.968-04:00That would take some time. I started listening to ...That would take some time. I started listening to his UCLA talk. Less than a minute in I got that sick feeling in my stomach. This guy isn't very smart. He's probably never heard of Henry Maudsley. That laugh after every sentence. The absurd chart of living standards which shoots up at 1800.Jin Dihhttp://profiles.yahoo.com/u/TFQ4SZEC7IEMA2PXTDSXILSFQEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-79988104885149834702010-07-18T22:44:33.513-04:002010-07-18T22:44:33.513-04:00The title of my post was probably confusing. I don...The title of my post was probably confusing. I don't mean that Clark claims that this kind of selection is still operative (actually, most likely the opposite). What I meant was that it would be amusing if 21st century research ends up vindicating the views of Social Darwinists from 200 years ago.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-75084566726965308892010-07-18T22:25:36.438-04:002010-07-18T22:25:36.438-04:00I suggest you read Clark's paper and perhaps h...I suggest you read Clark's paper and perhaps his book.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-66367770324301010732010-07-18T21:43:05.394-04:002010-07-18T21:43:05.394-04:00I suppose the author might also claim that Egyptia...I suppose the author might also claim that Egyptians, Greeks, Chinese, Indians, etc. are less likely to develop the diseases of civilization like obesity, insanity, blogging, etc.<br /><br />"impulsive, violent, innumerate, and lazy" vs. "patience, self-control, passivity, and hard work"<br /><br />negative, negative, negative, negative vs. positive, positive, ?, positive.<br Michael Manleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-56319865446145192862010-07-18T19:39:11.800-04:002010-07-18T19:39:11.800-04:00You have it right -- the last 200 years may have ...You have it right -- the last 200 years may have been different. He's really talking about the earlier period.<br /><br />Clark claims to have plausible evidence for the rich replacing the poor in the 600+ years leading up to the industrial revolution, in places that had agriculture (at minimum) and possibly fastest in places that had well-developed markets, rule of law, etc. (i.e. -- steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-60542871434084515822010-07-18T18:36:40.356-04:002010-07-18T18:36:40.356-04:00Interesting, still not sure I get it. OK, since 1...Interesting, still not sure I get it. OK, since 1200 or so rich had more kids so their genetic differences were passed on. Could be true, interesting idea to consider. But the big change with the industrial revolution was that Malthusian population dynamics changed: rich people and societies had fewer kids, not more. So I don't see Clark's mechanism working the same way over the lastDavid Backusnoreply@blogger.com