tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post6747327085767456182..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Universities ranked by SAT/ACT scoresSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-40277855436156128602013-09-27T04:07:58.875-04:002013-09-27T04:07:58.875-04:00There are three items wrapped up, IMHO.
First, t...There are three items wrapped up, IMHO.<br /><br /><br />First, the question about when the products of a Columbia undergraduate curriculum earned their Nobel prizes is important. Was the bulk within the past 10 years? 25? 50? Recall, 50 years ago, Stanford was more or less a regional university where upper middle class parents on the west coast sent their kids for college, because the elite dwbuddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-81837841450866680342013-09-24T00:10:17.514-04:002013-09-24T00:10:17.514-04:00i met a grad student in some sort of engineering f...i met a grad student in some sort of engineering from nz. he said the gre was the first test of its kind he'd ever had to take.<br /><br /><br /><br />i think that national level tests in NE Asia and India are comparable, but again the sat, etc. are irrelevant if one's hs is shit or if one doesn't have a 4.0 and 7 extra-curriculars.<br /><br /><br />it is so obscene that hsers are Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-34384337111176398622013-09-23T23:55:02.469-04:002013-09-23T23:55:02.469-04:00hardly.
because even if these were more coachable...hardly.<br /><br />because even if these were more coachable they are not merely more emphasized, they are the ONLY criterion.<br /><br /> "In a longitudinal English study, g scores measured at age 11 correlated with all the 25 subject tests of the national GCSE<br /> examination taken at age 16. The correlations ranged from .77 for the <br />mathematics test to .42 for the art test. The Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-62033318546043979052013-09-23T22:23:53.832-04:002013-09-23T22:23:53.832-04:00Foreign universities may emphasize test scores mor...Foreign universities may emphasize test scores more than American ones, but their tests might be more coach-able and less g loaded than the SAT, so perhaps it's a wash.Iamexpertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-76836678034771597182013-09-23T19:37:00.490-04:002013-09-23T19:37:00.490-04:00There, there.
There, there.
There, there, Vivian.
...There, there.<br />There, there.<br />There, there, Vivian.<br />It's a windy day.<br />Don't worry, dear.<br />Let's see. <br />Shall I recite something to you?<br />Would you like that?<br />I'll recite something by Donne. <br />No. <br />Very well. <br />Let's see... <br />"The Runaway Bunny,<br />by Margaret Wise Brown.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-56910463777359885772013-09-23T15:09:41.529-04:002013-09-23T15:09:41.529-04:00That's good news because both Heidegger and He...That's good news because both Heidegger and Hegel are irrational mysticists who engage in metaphysics which by definition doesn't exist.oregonlocalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77526036122302701582013-09-23T12:54:11.381-04:002013-09-23T12:54:11.381-04:00I agree with you to *some* extent. (Came from a m...I agree with you to *some* extent. (Came from a middle class, non-professional family.)<br /><br /><br />That said, there are differences in average talent levels between states. I.e., the National Merit cutoff is ~202 in AR and ~221 in MA. (I think part of this can be explain by the awful school system in AR.) <br /><br /><br />Around 85% of Arkansans take the ACT, and around 100 score a 34 robotizen00noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-91111862059195477412013-09-23T07:43:07.340-04:002013-09-23T07:43:07.340-04:00How many of these Nobel Laureates earned their deg...How many of these Nobel Laureates earned their degree from Columbia in the last 30 years? While it often takes decades for scientific discoveries to establish the track record and esteem necessary for consideration from Nobel Prize committees, how confident are you that the 8:1 trend will continue? For example, do you think Columbia lands as many genius-level East Coast Jews it once did in the Kris Roysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-12983984616086612262013-09-23T06:42:41.058-04:002013-09-23T06:42:41.058-04:00facility with abstractions, even abstractions whic...facility with abstractions, even abstractions which are not clearly abstracted from any experience, is a talent in in itself.<br /><br /><br />heisenberg got it right when he said, iirc, "the reality IS the mathematics." <br /><br /><br /><br />if one can accept this, there is no difficulty. galileo thought the same way i think. <br /><br /><br /><br />i had a professor who put it even Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-87146633722742852002013-09-23T04:32:55.718-04:002013-09-23T04:32:55.718-04:00"Success in many fields depends as much or mo..."Success in many fields depends as much or more on other factors like intuition, people skills, determination, etc."<br /><br /><br />and the etc is quite underrated in america where the population has been conditioned to think they live in a meritocracy. but even if there were class-independent criteria, as lapham explains very well, what constitutes merit is determined by the ruling Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-56446373261411133232013-09-23T04:03:50.329-04:002013-09-23T04:03:50.329-04:00as steve said it's a self-fulfilling prophecy....as steve said it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.<br />and of course steve's talk of talents other than intelligence plays into the "there is no such thing as society or class" ideology. that is, very often having people skills and communication skills means de facto you are one of "our kind".Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35405868928507433032013-09-23T00:17:58.181-04:002013-09-23T00:17:58.181-04:00of course all of this come down to:
those who wor...of course all of this come down to:<br /><br />those who work for wages and those who work for profit are NOT part of one "labor" market.<br /><br />part of the proletariat's false consciousness is thinking of the rich as if they were the most skilled, the most useful, etc.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-22115893553591501022013-09-23T00:12:49.099-04:002013-09-23T00:12:49.099-04:00"Obviously, talent in the middle part of the ..."Obviously, talent in the middle part of the country is not nearly as strong as on the coasts"<br /><br /><br />only obvious if one is as prejudiced as coastal admissions personnel. these people see arkansas and think red neck. ONLY in america does the "labor party" establishment HATE poor people. to be poor in america is to be evil, hence the lack of class consciousness in Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-90579273929756508102013-09-23T00:05:24.743-04:002013-09-23T00:05:24.743-04:00ly is forgetting that columbia is in nyc and that ...ly is forgetting that columbia is in nyc and that nyc has a very different ethnic make-up.<br /><br /><br />i had a prof of synthetic organic who thought the gen ed requirement was why the us outperformed in nobels. but if it weren't for that very talented ethnic minority i think the us would not outperform.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33606401568488761812013-09-22T23:57:07.424-04:002013-09-22T23:57:07.424-04:00yes. there is no doubt that elite us unis have a v...yes. there is no doubt that elite us unis have a very smart student body, but given the subjectivity and opacity of admission decisions i can't see how this population can't be LESS smart than the corresponding population in other developed countries and even in some developing countries like china and brazil where admissions decisions are transparent and objective, based solely on a testDiogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-60099055782478279062013-09-22T23:50:58.623-04:002013-09-22T23:50:58.623-04:00those are all very good points.
if the highest &...those are all very good points.<br /><br /><br />if the highest "iq" class were what one wanted it should be determined by multiple tests. the current system has only a few, all of which, like the SB, are very verbal iq heavy. mathematical ability and verbal iq have a large overlap. the math verbal dichotomy is a false one.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33699798732645929452013-09-22T23:44:50.424-04:002013-09-22T23:44:50.424-04:00good on ya bg2b!
heidegger i do understand most ...good on ya bg2b!<br /><br /><br />heidegger i do understand most of the time. he's not a faker. hegel is still mostly gibberish to me, but i can tell that hegel is, UN-like late 20th c french "philosophy" trying to make sense, trying to say something. for one thing his vocabulary isn't that large.<br /><br /><br />kant's ding-an-sich IS a problem. the resolution of it shouldDiogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85039793129376350562013-09-22T19:10:33.248-04:002013-09-22T19:10:33.248-04:00... management skills (for example) would be much ...<i>... management skills (for example) would be much harder to determine from an applicant file.</i><br /><br /><br />That made me chuckle because both its understated truth and the corollary deeper truth [that if you have <b>management</b> aptitude, you are better off practicing it, not studying it; so MBAs are for defective would-be managers]David Coughlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-16161867827947914962013-09-22T18:41:43.362-04:002013-09-22T18:41:43.362-04:00You could make the same arguments about academics ...You could make the same arguments about academics or even Nobel prize winners. Many are sociopathic BS artist who repackage and take credit for the ideas of their colleagues.Iamexpertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19580897916779086602013-09-22T18:35:55.297-04:002013-09-22T18:35:55.297-04:00Well, getting jobs at top firms straight out of un...Well, getting jobs at top firms straight out of undergrad is quite difficult. First, the firms use GPA to weed out those who are not smart and/or unmotivated. Second, the interviews screen for students who are great communicators and cope well under pressure. The consulting interviews in particular also pick out for analytical ability since it's pretty much all case study questions. <br /Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-80201214842923944712013-09-22T18:35:30.338-04:002013-09-22T18:35:30.338-04:00My cousin credits that the lessons he learned from...My cousin credits that the lessons he learned from his MBA program as instrumental in his considerable entrepreneurial success. One man's opinion.Iamexpertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85902556244332823102013-09-22T18:14:46.313-04:002013-09-22T18:14:46.313-04:00Rigorous types question whether you can really mea...Rigorous types question whether you can really measure alpha (i.e., true effective alpha not just performance relative to benchmark) even for a pm who has been trading for, say, 5 years. Along similar lines, can you tell the difference between a BS artist who is good at impressing people (i.e., superiors) and someone is actually effective in getting the most out of a team? Can you sniff out a steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-38002110813350089882013-09-22T17:51:55.421-04:002013-09-22T17:51:55.421-04:00Regarding your last paragraph, I agree that it'...Regarding your last paragraph, I agree that it's harder to quantify management/business skills than pure G-loaded abilities. But having said that, the top b-schools do have a systematic approach towards assessing the combination of skills that will make someone successful in business: work ethic, savvy, strong communication, leadership, teamwork. I know these are all "soft" and &Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-27336557661143153042013-09-22T16:34:50.849-04:002013-09-22T16:34:50.849-04:00Yes, I completely forgot that Caltech's class ...Yes, I completely forgot that Caltech's class is only 200, while Harvard's is around 1650. <br />Lately, Harvard and MIT have gotten the lion's share of IMO contestants from the U.S. Back in the 90's and early 2000's, you saw a decent number go to Princeton, Caltech, Duke. I think college admissions has become even more stratified in recent years, so that a handful of Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-12013401080628500642013-09-22T16:04:18.397-04:002013-09-22T16:04:18.397-04:00The undergraduate program at Columbia has produced...The undergraduate program at Columbia has produced 16 Nobel-ish prize winners but Stanford only 2.<br />Now, this is a pretty narrow and biased metric, but ... 8:1?<br />So, yeah, I think Columbia produces BETTER graduates than Stanford does.<br />http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/LondonYoungnoreply@blogger.com