tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post6281707916459881457..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (PNAS)Steve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-79070739457517688112015-05-02T13:14:22.989-04:002015-05-02T13:14:22.989-04:00Even the great Wenneras and Wold paper is in there...Even the great Wenneras and Wold paper is in there!namae nankahttp://endofwomen.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-28280528274537977412015-04-20T19:43:36.516-04:002015-04-20T19:43:36.516-04:00If you are graduating and unable to get a good job...If you are graduating and unable to get a good job....<br /><br /><br /><br />Documents obtained by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) show that an immigration program described by CIS as "obscure, almost secret" is costing American workers hundreds of thousands of jobs. The program has also exempt billions of dollars from taxation yulvanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-46106888507376499752015-04-18T13:54:11.033-04:002015-04-18T13:54:11.033-04:00" I suggest that you declare victory and move..." I suggest that you declare victory and move on"<br />Since you have done that, I will do same.HomoSapiensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-23121856984118187992015-04-18T13:50:18.240-04:002015-04-18T13:50:18.240-04:00You seem to be under the impression that you are m...You seem to be under the impression that you are making some kind of logical argument. It might look like one if you stand back and squint, but not only don't you understand the meanings of "anti-social" and "pro-social" (against or for social comity, respectively), you engage in motivated rationalization: you start with the "progressive" (conformist) MUltannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-91266706459598761222015-04-17T20:33:40.655-04:002015-04-17T20:33:40.655-04:00Yale has over 1000 tenure track faculty and over 4...Yale has over 1000 tenure track faculty and over 4000 faculty of all ranks, according to their website. http://oir.yale.edu/yale-factsheet<br /><br />If they were trying to hire 30 minority faculty, it will be a drop in the bucket. <br /><br />Also, just because they were hired does not mean they stay. Departments have funny ways of pushing out those that don't fitHomoSapiensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-1263844856409820542015-04-17T20:01:52.660-04:002015-04-17T20:01:52.660-04:00"(I'll type slowly so you can follow alon..."(I'll type slowly so you can follow along.)"<br />Please type more slowly so you thoughts can catch up to your typing.<br /><br />You seem to think that I was communicating my beliefs. I was just trying to illustrate that your sweeping conclusions could be wrong if you take other interpretations of the facts.<br /><br />"Divorced mothers will have a higher proportion of theirHomoSapiensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-66488957714662337342015-04-17T19:57:02.438-04:002015-04-17T19:57:02.438-04:00I am always reminded of the same but hope always s...I am always reminded of the same but hope always springs eternalHomoSapiensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-2644400816371777752015-04-17T16:12:11.416-04:002015-04-17T16:12:11.416-04:00Well, it's always good to be reminded why disc...Well, it's always good to be reminded why discussing things with anonymous commenters on blogs is a waste of time! I'll go see if you make any good sense elsewhere on the comment threads...Titus Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-78088453545328178352015-04-17T15:41:00.245-04:002015-04-17T15:41:00.245-04:00The US Federal sentencing disparities for compara...The US Federal sentencing disparities for comparable cases are about six times as great between men and women as they are between Blacks and Whites, if I recall correctly.MUltannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19312534059605676622015-04-17T15:36:23.670-04:002015-04-17T15:36:23.670-04:00References. Well, I'm convinced! How could any...References. Well, I'm convinced! How could anyone doubt a self-described intersectional feminist sociologist social justice blogger whose personal and professional life is dominated by concerns of "otherness"? Also a non-profit racketeer, diversity consultant, and common scold who cites only "research" that supports her racist, sexist agenda and only criticizes methodologyMUltannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-16677412979730198902015-04-17T15:34:59.311-04:002015-04-17T15:34:59.311-04:00Yeah some "satire", when the exact case ...Yeah some "satire", when the exact case the author is trying to make convincing is the case he is exaggerating for "satiric" effect. It's rather more typical of real satire to exaggerate the case one is actually inveighing against. Calling it "satire" in this case serves only the purpose of deflecting the obvious criticisms of the point it's obviously trying outside_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-7501013506386449522015-04-17T14:36:17.823-04:002015-04-17T14:36:17.823-04:00Well, it's satire, so there's that. Here&...Well, it's satire, so there's that. Here's one that's more sober, with references and all:<br /><br />http://othersociologist.com/2015/04/16/myth-about-women-in-science/<br /><br /><br /><br />Your response questions the hypocrisy of the critics, while ignoring the question of whether or not the critiques were valid. Any thoughts on the latter point?Titus Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-73210567077580083812015-04-17T11:56:44.526-04:002015-04-17T11:56:44.526-04:00What kind of idiocy is this "critique"? ...What kind of idiocy is this "critique"? <br /><br />Of course the study didn't simulate all of the various activities involved in an actual search -- such a simulation is impossible to perform for a fictitious case. How many of these same critics disparaged the previous studies that showed a preference for males in hiring a lab manager simply based on a written material they knew outside_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-92133352967198805722015-04-17T06:46:59.474-04:002015-04-17T06:46:59.474-04:00A, ahem, slightly blunter critique of the study:
...A, ahem, slightly blunter critique of the study:<br /><br />http://womeninastronomy.blogspot.com/2015/04/new-study-demonstrates-shocking-truth.html?m=1&hc_location=ufi<br /><br />"""<br />(*) In a paper just published in PNAS, Cornell professors W. M. Williams and S. J. Ceci have demonstrated conclusively that the process that all university departments use to hire new faculty Titus Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77113068794953704012015-04-17T06:45:10.828-04:002015-04-17T06:45:10.828-04:00Whoops, copy-pasta! Fixed, thanks.Whoops, copy-pasta! Fixed, thanks.Titus Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-53080591056321287722015-04-17T04:28:34.520-04:002015-04-17T04:28:34.520-04:00I suspect if we performed an analogous study in th...I suspect if we performed an analogous study in the private sector, we would get similar results. There are hiring preferences for women and non-Asian minorities. We might have to control for qualifications to reveal those preferences. But once they're on the job, qualifications win out and determine compensation. It's just easier to get your foot in the door as a woman or minority.Corneliusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-50338709517304795362015-04-16T20:52:49.965-04:002015-04-16T20:52:49.965-04:00A great deal of the criticism of this study misses...A great deal of the criticism of this study misses an important point, namely, the exact motivation for pursuing this study at all: Ceci and Williams were responding to a criticism of studies which made it clear that, from an actuarial point of view, women fared better in getting hired. One such statistic is the obvious one, that women are hired in higher proportion than their numbers in the outside_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77406725186827844742015-04-16T20:28:03.365-04:002015-04-16T20:28:03.365-04:00Yes, I have done some reasoning outside that parti...Yes, I have done some reasoning outside that particular comment. Since that reasoning is outside the comment, it is not in the comment. I hope that clears things up for you.<br /><br />The difference between your supposition and my prior is that yours does not fit the evidence and is internally contradictory. <br />(I'll type slowly so you can follow along.)<br /><br />The quote from the MUltannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-62615281649619458572015-04-16T16:55:08.353-04:002015-04-16T16:55:08.353-04:00Posting a link to a CNN article by the same author...Posting a link to a CNN article by the same authors of the study is not likely to reveal any "significant concerns about the study"HomoSapiensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-61957452630467893842015-04-16T15:03:30.270-04:002015-04-16T15:03:30.270-04:00Some pretty significant concerns about the study: ...Some pretty significant concerns about the study: www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/opinions/williams-ceci-women-in-science/.Titus Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-45171878051035135092015-04-16T11:17:04.960-04:002015-04-16T11:17:04.960-04:00"Not entirely unrelated was the process by wh..."Not entirely unrelated was the process by which last year's Fields medalists were chosen."<br /><br />Care to elaborate, since all the winners did seem to have a track record of significant accomplishments. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-20266808943407212382015-04-16T05:39:10.712-04:002015-04-16T05:39:10.712-04:00Here is a great discussion about possible reasons ...Here is a great discussion about possible reasons why the results of various studies might differ:<br /><br />http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/15/trouble-walking-down-the-hallway/RMBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-83740169113671591132015-04-16T02:19:29.551-04:002015-04-16T02:19:29.551-04:00Not entirely unrelated was the process by which la...Not entirely unrelated was the process by which last year's Fields medalists were chosen.5371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-56380443867064865292015-04-15T23:29:48.190-04:002015-04-15T23:29:48.190-04:00*** Certainly, most departments receive strong inc...*** Certainly, most departments receive strong incentives and signals from above to increase numbers of women and underrepresented minorities among their faculty.***<br /><br />They do seem to be quite open about this. I understand Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams became a full time cartoonist because he was told his prospects of promotion at his bank were remote as they were looking to promote bottinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-50312324458205462012015-04-15T17:13:38.937-04:002015-04-15T17:13:38.937-04:00One thing that may be distinctive to the positions...One thing that may be distinctive to the positions this new study focuses on is that affirmative action obviously applies to the hiring considerations. <br /><br />I have generally found the previous studies I've looked at rather unconvincing as to their application in many important settings because the positions were not obviously positions where anyone would try to correct for biases, or outside_observernoreply@blogger.com