tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post2920900400970886692..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: High V, Low MSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-38819742360871402652014-06-08T14:29:02.418-04:002014-06-08T14:29:02.418-04:00great idea for us
data justificationgreat idea for us<br /><br /><a href="http://gre-examtips.blogspot.com/2011/06/quantitative-justification-data.html" rel="nofollow">data justification</a>Maria Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-40794830582451763822014-01-14T05:35:39.299-05:002014-01-14T05:35:39.299-05:00Absolutely if you start trying to connect differen...Absolutely if you start trying to connect different bits of it.Crystal N Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03834128632849952171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-36124623573043997762012-12-07T13:19:47.553-05:002012-12-07T13:19:47.553-05:00There is another explanation. Gould was making mo...There is another explanation. Gould was making money selling books. Like so many others that preach to the converted, i.e. talk radio personalities, the accuracy of the message doesn't matter. What matters is that they say what their audience wants to hear.Dingo Hammernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-10166522652823848052011-06-22T13:34:30.650-04:002011-06-22T13:34:30.650-04:00Btw, Dr. Hsu, what kind of career/education would...Btw, Dr. Hsu, what kind of career/education would a person with the following cognitive profile be suitable for: <br /><br />1. V: + 2.5 to +3 SDs <br />2. M: + 2.5 to +3 SDs <br />3. Spatial: -0.5 to +0.5 SDs<br />4. Long term memory (just an estimate based on people I know): -0.5 to 0 SDs<br /><br />Thanks! <br /> <br /><br /> Dawg_from_Hell 2010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-675206853076517552011-06-21T09:02:42.724-04:002011-06-21T09:02:42.724-04:00Actually, my phrasing was poor. I'd been desc...Actually, my phrasing was poor. I'd been describing the top 40 or so students on the American MO qualification/filtering exam for the IMO. And back in those Olden Days, the AMO/IMO had little visibility, and my impression was that it seemed to attract comparable numbers of raw participants as the Intel/Westinghouse competition, or perhaps considerably fewer. I don't even think that RKU1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-83436181598570741042011-06-20T20:59:27.373-04:002011-06-20T20:59:27.373-04:00Apropos of nothing, I have a comment on the power ...Apropos of nothing, I have a comment on the power of memes. I think that I recall you mentioning wranglers before, but I didn't recall it when I read about studying for the Tripos in a comment here. Then, a day later, after Space Systems announces that the layoffs are coming, I'm trolling the corporate jobs database and up pops a couple of jobs in Cambridgeshire. One of my favorite David Coughlinhttp://twitter.com/dscoughlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-10535734720169174542011-06-20T16:25:48.642-04:002011-06-20T16:25:48.642-04:00I don't really have a dog in this fight. I thi...I don't really have a dog in this fight. I think it's <i>weird</i> that the vocab subtest is so g loaded. <br /><br />"Does that mean women are smarter than men?" Verbal IQ above a threshold of, say, full scale IQ 125 may be higher in men. Women are more fluent, talkative, but do they score higher on verbal intelligence tests? Elite verbal games competitors are always men. <br /MtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85885066449605983542011-06-20T16:02:25.725-04:002011-06-20T16:02:25.725-04:00Another source with flaws just to show I'm not...Another source with flaws just to show I'm not making it up. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088761779900061XMtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-53000622431697216782011-06-20T15:51:32.601-04:002011-06-20T15:51:32.601-04:00and your sources prove that vocab is better indica...and your sources prove that vocab is better indicator of g than other subtests for children but NOT adultsJu Hyung Ahnhttp://juhyungahn.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-67663198479443262972011-06-20T15:49:45.608-04:002011-06-20T15:49:45.608-04:00"Furthermore, contra the bias of E Asian supr..."Furthermore, contra the bias of E Asian supremacists those with the <br />highest full scale IQs score higher on the verbal subtests than on any <br />others. The verbal subtests are the best at discriminating between smart<br /> and not."<br /><br />Does this mean that women are "smarter than men? :)Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-3298495642043652592011-06-20T15:43:44.964-04:002011-06-20T15:43:44.964-04:00"It is based on Spanish version." Your s..."It is based on Spanish version." Your sources are crap or prove that g loading varies from one population to another. <br /><br />This isn't new info. The vocab subtest has been most g loaded and most reliable forever for the WISC AND the WAIS. You may find studies where it isn't, but they are outliers. Of course if reliability is only for one-month it's meaningless. <br />MtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-3675133667218059512011-06-20T15:42:58.149-04:002011-06-20T15:42:58.149-04:00I must admit that I wasn't aware of the recent...I must admit that I wasn't aware of the recent WISC-IV study. I think it is certainly debatable for both sides, especially with the scarce number of resources available.Ju Hyung Ahnhttp://juhyungahn.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-70301451412796376182011-06-20T15:25:19.490-04:002011-06-20T15:25:19.490-04:00You're citing studies of WISC to also draw tha...You're citing studies of WISC to also draw that vocabulary section of WAIS is also the most g-loaded. In addition, your sources also show that vocab isn't the most reliable subtest of WISC, but I don't feel like nitpicking here. Here's another study of WAIS (as opposed to WISC) that shows that vocab is far from being the most g-loaded in WAIS. It is based on Spanish version of Ju Hyung Ahnhttp://juhyungahn.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-56603075498107708032011-06-20T14:46:44.911-04:002011-06-20T14:46:44.911-04:00Here's another though the source isn't giv...Here's another though the source isn't given. http://alpha.fdu.edu/psychology/wisciv_gloadings.htm<br /><br />Vocab is acquired and may be willfully increased? If yes then what is g <i>really</i>?MtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-47995180337262663302011-06-20T12:22:03.387-04:002011-06-20T12:22:03.387-04:00As I suspected you did not understand what you wer...As I suspected <i>you</i> did not understand what you were reading.<br /> <br />1. Only 48 participants<br />2. Schmid-Leiman hierarchical factor analysis<br /><br />From Carnegie's post http://assessingpsyche.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/schmidleimananalysisofwiscivintegrated.pngMtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19333129676677965612011-06-19T21:11:27.234-04:002011-06-19T21:11:27.234-04:00What is there to misunderstand here? I pointed ou...What is there to misunderstand here? I pointed out your obvious error in stating "The vocab subtest is the g loaded...for the WISC and the WAIS." and you think a test that is less g-loaded is better indicator of g because it has higher reliability and less prone to Flynn effects. Don't get angry when you misquoted data and check g-loadings on vocab and block design subtest of Ju Hyung Ahnhttp://juhyungahn.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-84172393867323472332011-06-19T20:24:11.287-04:002011-06-19T20:24:11.287-04:00You are the one who is eether making "shit&qu...<i>You</i> are the one who is eether making "shit" up or doesn't understand what he's reading.MtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-15864153133624765922011-06-19T20:01:05.159-04:002011-06-19T20:01:05.159-04:00alright d00d now you're just making shit up, b...alright d00d now you're just making shit up, block design is the most g-loaded in the WAIS test not vocabulary.<br />"If there were a self-described IQ test consiting only of this Wechsler subtest it would be better than RPM"<br />Tell me how you're going to go to do because g-loading of vocabulary of .71 while Raven's is .80. I'm not against speculative ideas but let&#Ju Hyung Ahnhttp://juhyungahn.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-23113768379184793672011-06-19T19:13:03.890-04:002011-06-19T19:13:03.890-04:00The vocab subtest is the most g loaded and the mos...The vocab subtest is the most g loaded and the most reliable for the WISC and the WAIS. If there were a self-described IQ test consiting only of this Wechsler subtest it would be better than RPM. Further vocab has no Flynn effect but RPM does in a huge way. So why not say that whichever group has the highest vocab score is smartest? That's a problem for E Asian supremacists like Yan Shen.MtMorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-81442180950286446602011-06-19T17:59:25.390-04:002011-06-19T17:59:25.390-04:00Well, my dataset is personal and decades out of da...Well, my dataset is personal and decades out of date. But back then it seemed to me that if you took the top 40 Intel/Westinghouse students of a given year and compared them with the top 40 IMO students, the latter group seemed at least something like 1 SD brighter or so. And since both groups were pretty bright, that's a fairly large difference. So my own impression is very similar to RKU1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-61273566759577918902011-06-19T16:09:25.917-04:002011-06-19T16:09:25.917-04:00As a high V, not quite as high M, this post made m...As a high V, not quite as high M, this post made me sad. Clearly I have nothing to contribute to the advancement of humanity, and nothing I can do will ever change that.oasis789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77944616567830959522011-06-19T14:03:44.197-04:002011-06-19T14:03:44.197-04:00Ok, so basically the importance of a g factor goes...Ok, so basically the importance of a g factor goes down when we sample all humans instead of particular genetic/cultural groups. Isn't that an argument against a "general intelligence"?<br /><br />g would still be the most useful single intelligence measure, especially within populations, but it's claims to significance beyond that would seem to diminish.<br /><br />Shouldn'ben_gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19056239182737390262011-06-19T13:02:40.917-04:002011-06-19T13:02:40.917-04:00PS You can ask RKU if you like, as IIRC he won the...PS You can ask RKU if you like, as IIRC he won the Westinghouse his year with a paper about black holes. On our BGI CGU team we have an IMO winner who was a Westinghouse finalist.steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-305759864683115392011-06-19T12:55:57.618-04:002011-06-19T12:55:57.618-04:00re: IMO performance, I think high g (or, more prec...re: IMO performance, I think high g (or, more precisely, innate math ability) is necessary but not sufficient. You need training as well. Nevertheless, anyone who succeeds at a high level in these competitions is very, very smart. On average the IMO guys will be much smarter than the Intel finalists. Trust me, I know a fair number of people from both categories. Usually the smartest Intel/steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-50996783327833761802011-06-19T12:55:31.981-04:002011-06-19T12:55:31.981-04:00Yes, approximately is pretty much what I was going...Yes, approximately is pretty much what I was going with (and guessing that the psychometricians meant by "the same g"), rather than the extremes of "exactly" or "there isn't a g factor for some populations". I hope I wasn't giving the impression of "radically different to the extent where there are a weak plurality of factors".<br /><br />With Matthew Carnegienoreply@blogger.com