tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post2625380858316908596..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Another species, an evolution beyond manSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-30460238099060733492014-02-27T21:17:50.600-05:002014-02-27T21:17:50.600-05:00Fair enough :-)Fair enough :-)ESRogsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55401504354900276402014-02-27T21:10:55.359-05:002014-02-27T21:10:55.359-05:00Trying to avoid details in the post discussion abo...Trying to avoid details in the post discussion above. The "~" symbol hides some coefficients :-)steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-30505253391810833972014-02-27T21:09:28.069-05:002014-02-27T21:09:28.069-05:00Oh, right. Now I remember calculating that out be...Oh, right. Now I remember calculating that out before. I was just confused because in the post you say Sqrt(N), rather than Sqrt(.1 N). Thanks for the clarification!ESRogsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-68879289481095672312014-02-27T21:01:40.483-05:002014-02-27T21:01:40.483-05:00Toy model: 10k loci, prob 0.9 of + allele at each ...Toy model: 10k loci, prob 0.9 of + allele at each site. Then the *average* person has 9000 + alleles and 1000 bad ones. But the SD of this distribution is ~ sqrt( p (1-p) N ) ~ sqrt ( .1 N ) ~ 30 or so. Most people have 1000 plus or minus 30 bad alleles, but exceptional people might have 900 or 800 or 1200, with correspondingly high or low g scores.<br /><br />Look up binomial distribution. http:steve hsuhttp://duende.uoregon.edu/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-27426954835739446342014-02-27T20:55:01.876-05:002014-02-27T20:55:01.876-05:00Some of my confusion is that, from reading other p...Some of my confusion is that, from reading other posts, such as [this](http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2012/10/deleterious-variants-affecting-traits.html), I thought your model was that there were approximately 10,000 total genes contributing to g, and of these, the average person has about 9000 good alleles and 1000 bad alleles. So is the N that we should be taking the square root of the 10k totalESRogsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77373553417116223812014-02-27T20:22:51.145-05:002014-02-27T20:22:51.145-05:00I thought I understood this when I read it before,...I thought I understood this when I read it before, but coming back to it just now I realize I don't know why we expect the population SD to be ~sqrt(N) positive alleles. Is that a straightforward derivation from statistics, or is it based on an evolutionary / population genetics argument?ESRogsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-47958302099096249652014-01-04T01:00:53.715-05:002014-01-04T01:00:53.715-05:00Standard deviations become meaningless well before...Standard deviations become meaningless well before you get out to even today's smartest people. The reliability of testing at that level just doesn't exist, and the assumption of a normal distribution isn't valid - maybe it's log-normal or Pearson type IV, but any rate the right tail looks increasingly fatter the further you go out. The real problem is that IQ is a rarity measureMUltannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-83240848568679612052013-10-03T12:18:24.646-04:002013-10-03T12:18:24.646-04:00hi i just wanted to say thank you for your comment...hi i just wanted to say thank you for your comment on my article on RoK, and to ask if you blog or so. It would be interesting to read what like-minded people think about feminism, traditional stuff etc.jinnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-47841821630091901812013-09-13T14:56:12.112-04:002013-09-13T14:56:12.112-04:00You don't. I only have an IQ of about 135 and...You don't. I only have an IQ of about 135 and that's how I see the person of 90 IQ-- mentally retarded.Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-69134065655294192132013-09-09T13:53:21.468-04:002013-09-09T13:53:21.468-04:00kudzu
Disdain, not; benevolent pity, yes. Till you...kudzu<br />Disdain, not; benevolent pity, yes. Till you hurt them.disqus_ZsHlaWpOsFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-42571425230625370342013-09-07T22:29:26.400-04:002013-09-07T22:29:26.400-04:00nietzsche thought the indian caste system was esse...nietzsche thought the indian caste system was essentially a selective breeding program that funneled genes for intellect, aggression and social skill into different castes.hardlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77982578221450782592013-09-06T01:15:23.468-04:002013-09-06T01:15:23.468-04:00From the psychologists,
http://www.plosone.org/ar...From the psychologists,<br /><br />http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0057989<br /><br /><i>Does “Science” Make You Moral? The Effects of Priming Science on Moral Judgments and Behavior<br /> <br /><br /><br />Conclusions/Significance<br /><br />These studies demonstrated the morally normative effects of lay notions of <br />science. Thinking about science leads dxie48noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-65646778591939395382013-09-04T06:17:52.395-04:002013-09-04T06:17:52.395-04:00Why does everyone think that we're all of a su...Why does everyone think that we're all of a sudden going to have a bunch of children running around with 4000-level IQs. <br /><br /><br /><br />How is genetic engineering likely to start? As embryo selection, and the overall process won't be cheap for some time. <br /><br /><br /><br />So let's assume we find a way to grow eggs outside of the a woman's body. A couple decides to Corneliusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-24421507393476807822013-09-03T23:19:37.889-04:002013-09-03T23:19:37.889-04:00We will be hateful to them just as we are for Stev...We will be hateful to them just as <i>we<i> are for Steve. Beyond Good and Evil there is taste and manners and class, as Nietzsche pointed out. If the Elizabeth visited an Eastern Kentucky holler...it would be like that.</i></i>Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-91150660819011838262013-09-03T23:04:29.927-04:002013-09-03T23:04:29.927-04:00I agree. We might be used in their medical experim...I agree. We might be used in their medical experiments just as we use chimps sometimes when rats or dogs won't do.<br /><br /><br />And we already have an example in a commenter here. (Sorry for all the metaphors. It's what came to mind.)<br /><br /><br /><br />LondonYoung is a world-controller and inner party member, that is a partner at the vampire squid, and he believes that 1. the Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-48769025841761530722013-09-03T22:34:36.703-04:002013-09-03T22:34:36.703-04:00Our potential evolutionary successors might strugg...Our potential evolutionary successors might struggle to understand our ethics as well. This is why we should think about these things now, while there is time, rather than assuming that just because Homo novus is smart that everything will somehow turn out okay.Kudzu_Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-38329399083468465352013-09-03T22:21:48.707-04:002013-09-03T22:21:48.707-04:00I struggle to understand your ethics.I struggle to understand your ethics.David Coughlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85857578259466230852013-09-03T22:15:19.815-04:002013-09-03T22:15:19.815-04:00Not planning for their socialization means that we...Not planning for their socialization means that we might well end up with a large group of super-geniuses who don't like us. Either we should come up with ways to promote their happiness and mental health so that they get along with us retards, or else we had better implant miniature, remote-controlled bombs in their skulls at birth in case the experiment goes badly awry.Kudzu_Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-83795304012340715242013-09-03T22:09:44.684-04:002013-09-03T22:09:44.684-04:00You haven't thought this through, although you...You haven't thought this through, although you are hardly alone in this. Homo novus will grow up in a world of people that to all intents and purposes are retarded. This is bound to be psychologically stressful for for them. How do we ensure that they won't regard us with disdain or even hatred?Kudzu_Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-90891677539035969022013-09-03T22:01:00.112-04:002013-09-03T22:01:00.112-04:00Ah, but why is intelligence or language like the P...Ah, but why is intelligence or language like the Peaock's tail? <br /><br />Much more likely explanation for man's supposed excess intelligence is what Gould called spandrels. That is, unintended consequences. That is, one can do useful things with intelligence, but he can also a lot of useless things. <br /><br />And when were women attracted to men for anything other than their Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77816036646810317002013-09-03T21:25:26.054-04:002013-09-03T21:25:26.054-04:00We'll breed these people, our putative success...We'll breed these people, our putative successors, so they will arrive faster than they would by natural selection. They were bred to work on problems, so we will give them problems to work on. Their genesis will, otherwise, put them at odds with the world. What would you do for someone who equals your adult capability by the time they are eight? How about if it takes them until they are David Coughlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-49845976643759725022013-09-03T19:29:47.162-04:002013-09-03T19:29:47.162-04:00This doesn't make sense to me. Do you have a l...This doesn't make sense to me. Do you have a link?tractalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77847561206145869392013-09-03T01:25:36.823-04:002013-09-03T01:25:36.823-04:00Extremely smart people with questionable conscienc...Extremely smart people with questionable conscience/ethics exist, and are capable of (arguably, have already done) great harm. Should we just dial the intelligence gauge on some embrios to the max level and hope for the best? Is intelligence really the best "quantity" to increase, if our aim is to solve the problems of humanity?eqnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-56188266548478907362013-09-02T21:50:56.719-04:002013-09-02T21:50:56.719-04:00Miracles are found for those the Church would make...Miracles are found for those the Church would make saints. Even IQ obsessed atheists need saints.<br /><br />In the sesquicentennial of our Ford, as Brave New World would have it, living in a luxury he made possible, strangely, the cleverness of useless men has never been thought so great, and the esteem for men, epigones of our Ford, has neverbeen less.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33537681531451969942013-09-02T15:47:49.478-04:002013-09-02T15:47:49.478-04:00Worth noticing that for all his gifts, Neumann mos...Worth noticing that for all his gifts, Neumann mostly picked low-hanging fruit in his research career. Many men made more original contributions to mathematics and physics in his time.5371noreply@blogger.com