tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post1810394323699534356..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: Creators and RulersSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-9102178732827742812015-04-22T06:49:38.897-04:002015-04-22T06:49:38.897-04:00Certainly not as experienced in life as anyone her...Certainly not as experienced in life as anyone here or anywhere near the pedigree, but I suspect the difference between rulers and creators lies in the fact that non-intelligence variables like sociability, testosterone, risk taking, physical appearence and a plethora of other things that demarcates a genius from a computer are the reasons there's a fracture. Not knocking creators at all, in Matthew Maloneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-6548924355688722012015-03-30T15:23:30.680-04:002015-03-30T15:23:30.680-04:00You're wrong about Ballmer, he did well on the...You're wrong about Ballmer, he did well on the Putnam exam (Top 100, I think), which is amazing since he majored in Econ at harvard, so you know he had no special math/competition preparation, his performance was based on mostly raw intelligence and problem-solving ability.Gail Margolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-12535258036242517012009-08-09T13:25:56.911-04:002009-08-09T13:25:56.911-04:00My issue is with the statement "you find far ...My issue is with the statement "you find far fewer individually mediocre Creators than Rulers (suits)". I am looking for the case to support this - I guess my CEO bios are just a dabbling of data, not supporting any position except to de-emphasize pedigreed MBA's. Also, we're surely defining suits and creators differently, and our sample sets are gonna be very different.<br />LondonYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677529514013996419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-77682699509024824332009-08-09T11:57:42.201-04:002009-08-09T11:57:42.201-04:00Steve Sailer: yes, the CEO position requires excep...Steve Sailer: yes, the CEO position requires exceptional energy and determination. Less so for other senior exec positions. That quality isn't easy to detect in a social gathering, though.<br /><br />LY: I'm not sure what those bios reveal about my model. I'm not claiming that the Rulers are all from HBS (although a disproportionate number are). None of the life history details you Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-35948299797908036892009-08-09T01:04:11.178-04:002009-08-09T01:04:11.178-04:00Conoco not ChevronConoco not ChevronIan Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-34031987346088964192009-08-09T00:54:21.918-04:002009-08-09T00:54:21.918-04:00There is a word for the idea that those at the top...There is a word for the idea that those at the top are at the top because they are the most virtuous and the most talented --- ideology.Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-38013440365058947422009-08-09T00:53:12.167-04:002009-08-09T00:53:12.167-04:00LY's sample was very lucky to have picked up s...LY's sample was very lucky to have picked up so many engineers. In America the CEO with an engineering background is uncommon even at manufacturig companies. The background of CEOs at these companies is more typical:<br /><br />Intel<br />GM<br />Caterpillar<br />Cheveron<br />Pfizer<br />GE<br />Microsoft (Baumer was a math and econ BA)<br /><br />In addition to being in the right place at Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-71067834223260461872009-08-09T00:19:29.788-04:002009-08-09T00:19:29.788-04:00An interesting idea struck me for the first time, ...An interesting idea struck me for the first time, regarding the Singularity. <br /><br />I read an article about dogs, and I wonder if we will enhance dog's (dogs are currently at the average of a 2 year old)(or cat's) IQ's to that of a human (current), or even to the IQ which will be the equivalent to enhanced humans--post-Singularity. <br /><br />- ShawnUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08759718531790878976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-24003799130839239572009-08-08T19:43:02.804-04:002009-08-08T19:43:02.804-04:00To Steve Sailer's point, looking over those th...To Steve Sailer's point, looking over those three CEO's, I noticed a lot of "bumming foreign assignments" - I don't think we can deny HBS alum's point that conscienceness and hard work are keys to success. But I think that is common to creators and rulers. We all know the tales of the supermen creators who forget to eat for days, just as I think you've noticed CEO&LondonYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677529514013996419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-9134046800107277082009-08-08T18:25:28.501-04:002009-08-08T18:25:28.501-04:00Having spent 18 years in the corporate world, much...Having spent 18 years in the corporate world, much of it as a staff guy working for CEOs and one level down, I would suggest that "energy" is a crucial component in making it to the top. I always say that America is ruled by the Frequent Fliers, the people who can make the 7am flight to Dallas for a sales conference and the 4:15pm flight to Houston for a dinner meeting, and do that weekSteve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-47290343311169116722009-08-08T18:17:07.441-04:002009-08-08T18:17:07.441-04:00Steve - I just did the following exercise (no cher...Steve - I just did the following exercise (no cherry picking, I promise, just the first things I tried). I looked up the largest Fortune 500 company, it is Exxon Mobile (big and old-economy). I looked up the CEO on Wikipedia. He's a Civ E from UT Austin. Apparently he started at the bottom, as a real producer, not a manager, and worked his way up. His kids are all getting engineering LondonYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677529514013996419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-29259587307365363042009-08-08T12:25:21.564-04:002009-08-08T12:25:21.564-04:00LondonYoung: ..."nah, I think that only appli...LondonYoung: ..."nah, I think that only applies to the entrepreneurs". Fair summary?<br /><br />Plus a few areas: "...but you tend to find them in the corners of the business landscape with the richest intellectual pastures: some areas of law, venture capital, some cutting edge technology fields." Plus some areas of finance... "Perhaps you could say that those are areas Steve Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-41823894549928330872009-08-08T06:04:02.004-04:002009-08-08T06:04:02.004-04:00I chanced upon to view your blog and found it very...I chanced upon to view your blog and found it very interesting. Great ... Keep it up!RNB Researchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07549837498916903177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-75774286042613272112009-08-07T17:12:10.114-04:002009-08-07T17:12:10.114-04:00The clarification helps. EY kinda says "the ...The clarification helps. EY kinda says "the rich and powerful are actually cool, moral, and smart even though the MSM plays to the public's desire to be told otherwise". You then kinda say "nah, I think that only applies to the entrepreneurs". Fair summary?<br /><br />For myself, I don't see that the "successful MBA's" I meet seem any more like the LondonYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677529514013996419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-16260835369938796572009-08-07T11:55:10.336-04:002009-08-07T11:55:10.336-04:00To me EY's comments and the HBS alum's com...To me EY's comments and the HBS alum's comments don't feel fairly compared, one vs the other, in this post. You are focussing on "creators vs rulers", but I would instead focus on "accomplishers" vs "unfiltered products of a university admissions committee". <br />An alternative first-hand description of a group of actual "rulers" might be LondonYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677529514013996419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-68709075288432782902009-08-07T11:45:48.867-04:002009-08-07T11:45:48.867-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.LondonYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677529514013996419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-55978398629132849282009-08-07T11:29:17.114-04:002009-08-07T11:29:17.114-04:00Perhaps the behavior of these elites can be interp...Perhaps the behavior of these elites can be interpreted in terms of how primates act when they are near the top of their troops. If the social validation that they are at, or on the road to, the top were taken away, I suspect that many--not all--in the elite would act differently.<br /><br />I once happened across a prison photo of L.D. Landau (unfortunately I didn't save the link). Not gshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953008291916883288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-63219195483257163612009-08-06T20:52:46.879-04:002009-08-06T20:52:46.879-04:00If HBS admitted by GMAT alone its students would b...If HBS admitted by GMAT alone its students would be in the top 1%. <br /><br />It is ridiculous that B-schools rely on other criteria.Ian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06837467954881003505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-13964506255086981732009-08-06T17:45:03.989-04:002009-08-06T17:45:03.989-04:00Advantageous genetic gifts tend to correlate with ...Advantageous genetic gifts tend to correlate with one another, like intelligence and beauty. Believing the contrary is wishful thinking. Less able people tell themselves that they don't in order to get out of bed in the morning. It's like the old saw, money doesn't bring happiness. Maybe not but the type of person who is happy and well adjusted is more likely to be successful as Alphadominancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561179997804751267noreply@blogger.com