tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post129272228333045546..comments2024-01-13T18:57:18.243-05:00Comments on Information Processing: National Review: Applying While AsianSteve Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02428333897272913660noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-26726866148500818662012-01-06T00:15:05.289-05:002012-01-06T00:15:05.289-05:00Your best post yet.Your best post yet.LaurentMelchiorTelliernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-40069210008930364102011-12-30T00:54:00.213-05:002011-12-30T00:54:00.213-05:00Haha. Wow, humor isn't really an Asian thing,...Haha. Wow, humor isn't really an Asian thing, huh?Law Studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-37146142924155617532011-12-27T20:36:29.985-05:002011-12-27T20:36:29.985-05:00I'll admit I never had more than a vague impre...I'll admit I never had more than a vague impression about those century-old writers and their general "disreputability", until a few weeks ago when I happened to discover that all their old books were available on the web at OpenLibrary. Although their style was often quite old fashioned (hardly surprising given that they overlapped with Darwin) and some of them had strong RKU1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-76701602101558615472011-12-26T08:44:43.375-05:002011-12-26T08:44:43.375-05:00>Since
by your own numbers East Asian American...>Since<br /> by your own numbers East Asian Americans are over-represented amongst <br /><br />>Putnam Fellows(this is after college admissions) to a greater extent <br />than they are <br />>amongst the student body at elite universities.<br /><br />No, they are under-represented, and enormously so. You grossly inflated the Asian representation by supposing, absurdly, that the sinerusenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-90793907681967553582011-12-25T17:41:01.102-05:002011-12-25T17:41:01.102-05:00testtestDavidVersacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-27231082054220796342011-12-25T01:24:57.214-05:002011-12-25T01:24:57.214-05:00Most of what you say is absolutely correct, but as...Most of what you say is absolutely correct, but as a mathematician (i.e. an academic specialist) I suspect you are somewhat at the mercy of standard sources in areas outside your field, and if these are misleading or dishonest (e.g. Gould) you can easily fall into error.<br /><br />If you actually look at the most influential "racialist" authors from a century ago and the sources which RKU1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-7308482178311944532011-12-24T11:12:39.898-05:002011-12-24T11:12:39.898-05:00Unmentioned in any of these discussions is that th...Unmentioned in any of these discussions is that the most significant AA discrimination takes place outside of college admissions. Asian Americans and Asian immigrants are together the biggest per capita recipients of affirmative action preferences in U.S. government contract awarding through set asides and automatic bidding differentials and and 'small business' financing set asides for zk7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-61485537186773537432011-12-24T11:00:56.354-05:002011-12-24T11:00:56.354-05:00Someone born here also includes those whose mother...Someone born here also includes those whose mothers spend a couple days at a 'birthing center' for the sole purpose of gaming the system. They are not somehow magically Americans. And the bigger issues is the kids of the Asian elite coming here to attend college, and gaming the system in other ways to be considered Asian American. And the institutions who are unable or unwilling to zk7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-50899423456477847012011-12-24T10:55:31.156-05:002011-12-24T10:55:31.156-05:00The problem is that many of the institutions and t...The problem is that many of the institutions and the research, as well as the discussions, do not clearly distinguish between 'foreign Asians' and 'Asian Americans'. In California, a parachute kid who spends 3 years at a California school, either a boarding school or U.S. taxpayer supported public school, is considered an 'Asian American'. That is the problem.zk7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-24036707120191103642011-12-22T20:51:45.326-05:002011-12-22T20:51:45.326-05:00"Your responses always are disappointing in h..."Your responses always are disappointing in how they fail to come to terms with the points I'm obviously making."<br /><br />"From Lynn<br /><br />http://sq.4mg.com/RaceIQ.htm<br /><br />"This<br /> difference is also picked up in the United States in performance on the<br /> Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT), on which ethnic Orientals invariably do<br /> better than Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33781304398333226972011-12-22T12:19:16.199-05:002011-12-22T12:19:16.199-05:00And, just to quickly address the smoke you are try...And, just to quickly address the smoke you are trying to throw up over tests of g, let me just say this. <br /><br />If you don't understand the power of the selection factor in tests such as AIME/USAMO to distort representation of different groups, then it's a waste of time arguing with you.<br /><br />As far as the susceptibility of the SAT to coaching, it's important to bear in highly_adequatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-10794398565031066212011-12-22T11:53:20.851-05:002011-12-22T11:53:20.851-05:00Your responses always are disappointing in how the...Your responses always are disappointing in how they fail to come to terms with the points I'm obviously making.<br /><br />Look, I mentioned that the list from Wikipedia clearly had some flaws as a point of evaluation of Asian success in the larger world. Probably just about any such list is going to present some deficits for the methodology. <br /><br />Nonetheless, it's almost highly_adequatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-91726207233488957802011-12-22T03:43:35.898-05:002011-12-22T03:43:35.898-05:00Last time, on Dog the Redneck Lawyer:
Dog meets so...Last time, on Dog the Redneck Lawyer:<br />Dog meets some new arrivals, Gary Zhou and Jimmy Chang, who are passing through town with their punk-folk fusion band. <br /><br />Dog: "Stay the fuck away from our women!"<br />Gary and Jimmy: "Uhh...ok...."<br />Dog: "Go back to your country! My people built this country! This is our country!"<br />Jimmy: "We're qc32p491993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-19216976390710702862011-12-22T03:36:52.293-05:002011-12-22T03:36:52.293-05:00And you're a law student. That is amazing. Thi...And you're a law student. That is amazing. This really is the land of opportunity.<br /><br />HANDS OFF OUR WOMEN, LAWYER! lol.qc32p491993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-85053367673671649892011-12-21T16:23:36.285-05:002011-12-21T16:23:36.285-05:00That anyone in 2011 (almost 2012) could pretend to...That anyone in 2011 (almost 2012) could pretend to be surprised by these "revelations" I find shocking. I would ask Dr Hsu (a physicist, apparently) if it is possible, within the boundaries of classic, Newtonian physics, to get one's head sufficiently far inside one's internal cavities to be unaware of this reality? Maybe that question is outside his speciality, and ought to davidwbuddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-39753188102185138032011-12-21T12:57:01.189-05:002011-12-21T12:57:01.189-05:00Practically speaking, an r value around ~0.7-0.8 i...Practically speaking, an r value around ~0.7-0.8 indicates a gross relationship and still admits a lot of variability due to other factors. <br /><br />There is a material distinction between 'is' and 'is primarily'. You argument and indignation would be served better by rooting out the other factors. This problem begs for a bayesian treatment with tighter controls.David Coughlinhttp://twitter.com/dscoughlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-33824812139131145242011-12-21T11:50:50.330-05:002011-12-21T11:50:50.330-05:00I belong to the ethnic group that built American c...I belong to the ethnic group that built American culture and universities, and made almost all of the world's innovations. <br /><br />I'm smarter than the vast majority of white people and I think attitutes like mine will catch on among them. I don't hate Asians as people. But while most white Americans are cowered into worrying about being "racist", I'm a realist. Law Studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-2195658054461904372011-12-21T07:00:37.939-05:002011-12-21T07:00:37.939-05:00""engineering" is simply a shorthan...""engineering" is simply a shorthand for the different fields and forms of eminence considered. "<br /><br />I've never heard anyone use engineer as a shorthand to refer to physicists, biologists, chemists, architects, lawyers, etc. This must be something unique to the white nationalist crowd.<br /><br />"The question, again, is whether a similar signal can be found Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-2279372090163691112011-12-21T06:48:47.279-05:002011-12-21T06:48:47.279-05:00As the word "etc" indicated, "engin...As the word "etc" indicated, "engineering" is simply a shorthand for the different fields and forms of eminence considered. The entire study, for any of the fields mentioned, does not address the question, unless you can somehow restrict it to the subset who attended US high schools in the past few decades, and then recalculate it relative to the number of Asian engineeringsinerusenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-86643603730882899402011-12-21T06:19:21.532-05:002011-12-21T06:19:21.532-05:00Is there any reason why you deliberately state tha...Is there any reason why you deliberately state that the study referenced by Lynn only deals with engineers when the coefficients he cites for science is actually higher than the engineering coefficient? I've noticed that this is something white nationalist types often like to do, i.e. insist that East Asian Americans only excel at engineering.Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-70822689656387704402011-12-21T06:10:05.651-05:002011-12-21T06:10:05.651-05:00You did not answer the question. US E Asians are...You did not answer the question. US E Asians are overrepresented only relative to national population share in engineering professorships etc. The question was to find some selection (1) in the past couple of decades (2) where the proportion increases along the pipeline (3) for East Asian *Americans*. Your example data set starts in 1969, pumps up the numbers with foreign students and adult sinerusenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-18191687413817504692011-12-21T05:37:17.979-05:002011-12-21T05:37:17.979-05:00Please read what I've copied and pasted from t...Please read what I've copied and pasted from the Lynn article and also my reference to Silicon Valley. <br /><br />At a minimum, I don't think its unreasonable to suggest that East Asian Americans be present at elite colleges to the same degree that they're over-represented amongst IMO competitors or Putnam Fellows.Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-37393316832158487752011-12-21T05:32:47.915-05:002011-12-21T05:32:47.915-05:00Your message crossed with my edits. I would be in...Your message crossed with my edits. I would be interested in your or Steve Hsu's opinion (or rather: data) on the larger point raised: if there are "many Ivy League schools that discriminate" and, of course, many more non-Ivy schools doing the same, all this going on for decades, then in what domain can we find the Asian overperformance this must imply? Asian is a negative sinerusenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-65696374553007068302011-12-21T04:56:25.284-05:002011-12-21T04:56:25.284-05:00Your claim is that for white applicants to be favo...Your claim is that for white applicants to be favoured over asian applicants with the same test scores is reasonable. <br />Sailer is well known for claiming that for black applicants to be favoured over white applicants with the same test scores is not reasonable.<br />You are not saying the same thing as him, but the opposite thing. Lawyerly pettifogging about the meaning of 'discrimination5371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880610.post-69307150416315664192011-12-21T04:42:29.157-05:002011-12-21T04:42:29.157-05:00If I were an East Asian supremacist, which I'm...If I were an East Asian supremacist, which I'm not, I don't think you would rubbing it in my face by pointing out to me that East Asian Americans were still over-represented by a factor of roughly 9x at the IMO level.Yan Shenhttp://profiles.google.com/yanshen71786noreply@blogger.com