Thursday, November 10, 2011

Veritas

Perhaps we will meet the ghosts of Stephen J. Gould.





22 comments:

LaurentMelchiorTellier said...

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oasis789 said...

I'll be taking the bus to longwood for the first time ever, just for this.

5371 said...

He has more than one ghost? An interesting idea, like two time dimensions.

Maciano Van der Laan said...

Good luck.

Sam H said...

Awesome!

David Collins said...

Isn't he supposed to be in the 9th circle of Hell, as per his oath in the Mismeasure of Man concerning whether he misrepresented anything regarding the subject and in light of recent evidence that he falsified a good bit of evidence? 

whatisgoingon whatisgoingon said...

Just trying to get lynched, huh?

Nano Nymous said...

Any real new data or is it more of the same "we've got incredible sequencing power, many samples from high IQ people and this really simple model that we hope will work"?

whatisgoingon whatisgoingon said...

Not quite. I think the 9th circle is reserved for those who do that solely for personal gain, without any ideological reasons for it.

Gould is in the 4th circle of hell.

Guy_Brodude said...

I was wondering that as well. Am I wrong in thinking that this is mainly an effort to recruit more subjects?

Interesting thing from my own experience: I sent the study to an automatic qualifier, and he volunteered. But he didn't forward it to other automatic qualifiers he knew (and he knows quite a few). He thought it would be kind of tacky to refer other people (though he was excited about being part of it himself).

steve hsu said...

We aren't announcing any results. These talks are mainly for recruiting and to get the community ready. The simple model you refer to is the usual one for additive genetic variance.

David Collins said...

Gould specifically requested the 9th circle in his oath in the intro to 'The Mismeasure of Man'.  The 9th circle is normally reserved for traitors to someone who is a benefactor who one owes allegiance to.  I'm sure the Prince of Darkness could stretch the definition a little (substituting a reified 'Science' for Caeser or Jesus for Gould's sake).

Guy_Brodude said...

Very odd. Gould's mis-statements, as I said above, seem to well transgress the bounds of mere misunderstanding; he was lying, and he knew he was lying. Did he think others wouldn't figure it out at some point? Most likely he held out hope, against hope, that the racial differences would be demonstrated false. Obviously a naive view, but I think it's consistent with the general impression of people here that Gould was not all that intelligent.

He would have done his cause a much better service if he had been honest, and confronted the issue on purely humane and ethical grounds. 

botti said...

***Obviously a naive view, but I think it's consistent with the general impression of people here that Gould was not all that intelligent.***

I think it's more likely he was simply being a radical marxist activist, similar to other 'Science for the People' & 'Sociobiology Study Group' types like Lewontin, Leon Kamin & Steven Rose.

http://tinyurl.com/7ldfr94

RKU1 said...

"I think it's consistent with the general impression of people here that Gould was not all that intelligent..."
"I think it's more likely he was simply being a radical marxist activist..."

The two possibilities aren't mutually exclusive, and it's easy to imagine that they might tend to reinforce each other.

Guy_Brodude said...

I have a question: does anybody reading this know anything about Gould on a personal level? Beyond the saintly image of him presented in the media? Any good rumors or gossip, in other words?

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MtMoru said...

How many participants have you got so far? Maybe I'll add my outlier to your data.

"So there was this one guy who should never have learned to speak according to our model..."

MtMoru said...

"people here" either haven't read the whole of The Mismeasure or didn't understand it.

Gould may have been low M compared to Steve Hsu, but he was high M and high V compared to Hernstein and Murray and ALL psychologists.

steve hsu said...

Please volunteer. We have something like 500 right now but want to get into the multi thousands.

LaurentMelchiorTellier said...

If I may ask, were you diagnosed as autistic?

botti said...

***Gould may have been low M compared to Steve Hsu, but he was high M and high V compared to Hernstein and Murray and ALL psychologists. ***

Not including Eysenck & Jensen.

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